It IS for demo analysis. We don't see the point in banning people who are playing on sv_cheats 1 servers.
So if you are mucking around with other players all who know sv_cheats is enabled and one of them decides to demo you while you're using r_drawothermodels 2 then they submit it and you get banned for cheating. (Note: when sv_cheats is enabled and all players know about it, it is NOT cheating as it does not give you an unfair advantage) We don't want this to happen (and I know a LOT of other server providers who also would not like this to happen). It's a very easy and simple thing to add so I see absolutely no reason why anyone would be against it. : ) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 9:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: hlds digest, Vol 1 #5510 - 3 msgs Send hlds mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of hlds digest..." Today's Topics: 1. sv_cheats for demo recording (Sean Rowswell) 2. Re: sv_cheats for demo recording (Roman Hatsiev) 3. Re: sv_cheats for demo recording (Eirik Nilssen) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Sean Rowswell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:32:48 +0800 Subject: [hlds] sv_cheats for demo recording Reply-To: [email protected] This is a multipart message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] When you record a demo (for an admin to ban a cheater) it is NOT possible to SECURELY tell what sv_cheats is set to (either on the client or on the server). For example: Rcon Sv_cheats 0 Record demotest Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats = "0" here) Sv_cheats 1 (in game this wont change anything but..) Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats = "1" here) ... Sv_cheats 0 (just to reset it) ... Rcon sv_cheats 1 Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats = "1" here) Sv_cheats 0 (in game this wont change anything but..) Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats = "0" here) ... stop EVEN though the server still has sv_cheats 0 and ingame the client ALSO has sv_cheats 0 it will STILL show sv_cheats = "1" when you play the demo. Thus making it impossible to tell what sv_cheats is set to when playing back a demo. My suggestion is to add a few variables to the status command. "hostname: #WALinerz #1 - SEASON 2 STARTING SOON! version : 1.0.0.34/7 3140 secure udp/ip : 202.53.7.202:27045 map : de_dust2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z sourcetv: port 27025, delay 120.0s players : 2 (16 max) cheats: enabled (1) pure: enabled (2) # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state # 4 "WALinerz TV #1" BOT active # 5 "seaNN" STEAM_0:1:9879898 00:15 57 0 active" Easy enough yeah? Unless of course someone else has a better way to (currently) tell if the server from a demo has sv_cheats enabled. : ) -- --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:29:31 +0400 From: "Roman Hatsiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_cheats for demo recording Reply-To: [email protected] I wonder why you might want to change sv_cheats during demo recording. On 17/08/07, Sean Rowswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > When you record a demo (for an admin to ban a cheater) it is NOT possible to > SECURELY tell what sv_cheats is set to (either on the client or on the > server). > > > > For example: > > > > Rcon Sv_cheats 0 > > Record demotest > > Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats = "0" here) > > Sv_cheats 1 (in game this wont change anything but..) > > Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats = "1" here) > > ... > > Sv_cheats 0 (just to reset it) > > ... > > Rcon sv_cheats 1 > > Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats = "1" here) > > Sv_cheats 0 (in game this wont change anything but..) > > Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats = "0" here) > > ... > > stop > > > > EVEN though the server still has sv_cheats 0 and ingame the client ALSO has > sv_cheats 0 it will STILL show sv_cheats = "1" when you play the demo. Thus > making it impossible to tell what sv_cheats is set to when playing back a > demo. > > > > My suggestion is to add a few variables to the status command. > > > > "hostname: #WALinerz #1 - SEASON 2 STARTING SOON! > > version : 1.0.0.34/7 3140 secure > > udp/ip : 202.53.7.202:27045 > > map : de_dust2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z > > sourcetv: port 27025, delay 120.0s > > players : 2 (16 max) > > cheats: enabled (1) > > pure: enabled (2) > > > > # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state > > # 4 "WALinerz TV #1" BOT active > > # 5 "seaNN" STEAM_0:1:9879898 00:15 57 0 active" > > > > Easy enough yeah? > > > > Unless of course someone else has a better way to (currently) tell if the > server from a demo has sv_cheats enabled. : ) > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Eirik Nilssen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_cheats for demo recording Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:46:19 +0200 Reply-To: [email protected] sv_cheats is only necassery during post-recording analyze, where you might want to turn of interpolation, enable bullet-impacts to be marked and adjus= t mat_wireframe to be able to see through walls. While recording, I don't see any purpose of change sv_cheats, as a demo always needs to be ananlyzed properly afterwards. >From: "Roman Hatsiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [hlds] sv_cheats for demo recording >Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:29:31 +0400 > >I wonder why you might want to change sv_cheats during demo recording. > >On 17/08/07, Sean Rowswell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > When you record a demo (for an admin to ban a cheater) it is NOT >possible to > > SECURELY tell what sv_cheats is set to (either on the client or on the > > server). > > > > > > > > For example: > > > > > > > > Rcon Sv_cheats 0 > > > > Record demotest > > > > Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats =3D "0" >here) > > > > Sv_cheats 1 (in game this wont change anything but..) > > > > Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats =3D "1" >here) > > > > ... > > > > Sv_cheats 0 (just to reset it) > > > > ... > > > > Rcon sv_cheats 1 > > > > Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats =3D "1" >here) > > > > Sv_cheats 0 (in game this wont change anything but..) > > > > Sv_cheats (when you play back the demo it will show sv_cheats =3D "0" >here) > > > > ... > > > > stop > > > > > > > > EVEN though the server still has sv_cheats 0 and ingame the client ALSO >has > > sv_cheats 0 it will STILL show sv_cheats =3D "1" when you play the demo= . >Thus > > making it impossible to tell what sv_cheats is set to when playing back >a > > demo. > > > > > > > > My suggestion is to add a few variables to the status command. > > > > > > > > "hostname: #WALinerz #1 - SEASON 2 STARTING SOON! > > > > version : 1.0.0.34/7 3140 secure > > > > udp/ip : 202.53.7.202:27045 > > > > map : de_dust2 at: 0 x, 0 y, 0 z > > > > sourcetv: port 27025, delay 120.0s > > > > players : 2 (16 max) > > > > cheats: enabled (1) > > > > pure: enabled (2) > > > > > > > > # userid name uniqueid connected ping loss state > > > > # 4 "WALinerz TV #1" BOT active > > > > # 5 "seaNN" STEAM_0:1:9879898 00:15 57 0 active" > > > > > > > > Easy enough yeah? > > > > > > > > Unless of course someone else has a better way to (currently) tell if >the > > server from a demo has sv_cheats enabled. : ) > > > > -- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >_______________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _________________________________________________________________ MSN Music http://music.msn.no Finn din favorittmusikk blant nesten 1 millio= n l=E5ter --__--__-- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds End of hlds Digest _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
