Chris, your right we seem to hash and rehash a lot of the same complaints here regularly. I just wish we knew if any of these complaints ever gets acted upon.
Jason -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Jason, I want way less than that and anyone who "demands" more is a total whiner. What the heck, why does Valve bother with multi-player games? I mean wouldn't it be a lot less hassle if they made just single player games? After all, user experience is paramount. In a single player game, we don't have to put up with hackers or childish people who ruin a players gaming experience. If Valve doesnt believe that admins in the community are capable of delivering a good gaming experience, they should just shut up shop and forget about this multiplayer gaming business. Because I'm tired of the petty games they play. This community has been telling them for years simple and effective ways to stop servers from being broken and they listen carefully and devised ways to piss us off even more by ignoring us and making a bad situation worse. Chris. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason O. Washburn Sent: 15 October 2007 20:13 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. I can live with all this I just want Valve Admin tools so we don't have to worry about updates breaking the server plug-ins. Heck why can't they do all the cool plug-ins that people like?:-( Jason -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnett Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:02 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Don't release it. You'll only artificially help keep a game going that doesn't deserve your attention. Valve don't want mods, so as far as I'm concerned, TF2 can die the slow and painful death it deserves. Chris. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Paloma Sent: 15 October 2007 19:15 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. The filter is in place on Valve's end. You can't just "remove the filter." I have created a working plugin to allow 32 player servers to still be listed, but I am debating with myself whether or not I should release it. I have ethical concerns as well as liking the attention that owning one of the few 32 player servers brings. Releasing the plugin will: a) Make Valve mad and find other ways to bring 32 player servers down that us server admins certainly will not appreciate. b) Diminish the value of the hard work that people like myself have done just to get on the list since there will certainly all of a sudden be a myriad of 32 player servers to choose from c) ??? d) Profit. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:00 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from the steam master servers, without any annoucment. Why not simply remove the filter? > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tony Paloma > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:55 > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Betreff: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > Third option: Be creative and do what the other 30-32 player servers > did to get on the list. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:50 AM > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly remove from > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > I installed a plugin to have a 32 slot TF2 server. No hex edit/hack or > something like that. It was a normal plugin --> And my server is still > removed from the serverlist. > > Give a community the support to create addons/plugins/mod, but remove > their servers if they use it... great! > > What should I do now? Live with it? ... No... > > Two options: > - Shut down my server to run something else > - Reduce to 24 slot with the known, that I will never play on my > server, because it is too empty for me? --> Result is a not needed > server --> Shut down to run something else... > > grr > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thomas > > Morton > > Gesendet: Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 19:21 > > An: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Betreff: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > There's no need to be rude or offensive! If this has to be > discussed > > then lets at least do it sensibly. > > > > Anyway..... > > > > Valve dont appear to be randomly removing servers with mods > from the > > lists, they have apparently removed servers running mods > that allow 32 > > players. It occurs to me they must have a reason for this > (it is not > > as if it appears to be a particularly harmful mod). > > > > I very much doubt Valve are going to begin to removing > servers running > > any mods they deem unsuitable (MetaMod:Source anyone?? :P). So far > > there has been no reason for this removal - nothing from > Valve. Either > > they are not going to say anything or there is a reason for the > > silence. There could still be a very valid reason for > removing the 32 > > man capacity! (No one seems to care about that possibility). > > > > Either Valve will say something concrete or we will never > know. If not > > being able to run 32 man servers is putting many people off running > > servers, or if it is killing many communities or if it is > putting many > > players off the game because they can only play with 24 > people I have > > no idea - but I would hazard it is not very many. > > > > Lets just face it 32 man servers are gone for the time being > > - it's not a great thing but there it is. Maybe we should look to > > getting what we have on offer running stably and get some good mods > > going :) I have 7 TF2 servers going now (4 for one community 3 for > > another) and they are all starting to hit their maxes - so > it is going > > well. The 7th server I launched yesterday as the others > were getting > > full. That's working out as better solution for the > communities than > > 6 32 man servers actually. > > Tom > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:00 PM > > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > remove from > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > > Oh and Jonathon, > > > > > > Hinsight is such a great thing isn't it? Well, we've taken > > note. When > > > you're server and you're community is affected by Valves > > heavy handed > > > arrogance, we'll mock you like there was no tomorrow. > > > > > > You couldn't see that listing update coming and neither could we. > > > Soooooooooooo..... > > > > > > What makes you think your server is going to be immune forever? > > > > > > What's that you said? You are going to keeps yours vanilla? > > > > > > TF2. R.I.P. > > > > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan > > > Leissler > > > Sent: 15 October 2007 17:33 > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Servers that will Valve will randomly > > remove from > > > the steam master servers, without any annoucment. > > > > > > I think people just need to grow up. > > > > > > Valve intended by design for their to be a 24 player limit. > > They can > > > and will do whats in their best interest and/or needs. They never > > > intended (at this > > > time) to be above 24 people so they filtered them out. They have > > > the right to do so. > > > > > > Don't like it? Then don't run a server. No one is forcing > you to do > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > --- Kyrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> -- > > >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Supposed > > to be funny > > >> ? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> zzzZZZzzz > > >> > > >> On 10/15/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > This is a multipart message in MIME format. > > >> > -- > > >> > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Hello, > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Let's run a book on which servers Valve will > > >> randomly filter out next, > > >> > without even so much as the decency to tell us. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > 1) Australian servers. Let's face it, it's > > >> those pesky Australians > > >> > who > > >> > are so far up Valves sweet asses it must be > > >> embarrassing for Valve. Those > > >> > Australians need to be taught a lesson to counter > > >> balance all of that > > >> > Pacific rimming that's going on. > > >> > > > >> > 2) Servers that have an unusually high number > > >> of players with 8 > > >> > digits. > > >> > Come on let's face it. The 8 digit crew are all > > >> noobs, snotty nosed > > >> > teenagers and haxors. > > >> > > > >> > 3) Servers outside the Western United States > > >> that have an unusually > > >> > high number of players with 6 digits. If a server > > >> attracts the old and > > >> > wise, > > >> > they're community is going to be too smug. > > >> > > > >> > 4) Servers running FF. > > >> > > > >> > 5) Servers that sends the player into a > > >> different world where there > > >> > is > > >> > 1000's of custom skins and the admins have been > > >> sad enough to invest 500 > > >> > odd > > >> > man hours into creating a work of art, not to > > >> mention the modding > > >> > communities whose total output dwarfs anything > > >> that has come out of Valve. > > >> > > > >> > 6) Servers that attract the top players. > > >> C'mon something has to be > > >> > wrong, they're all hacking. > > >> > > > >> > 7) Servers that attract too many noobs. No > > >> scrub that, they're all in > > >> > Washington State. > > >> > > > >> > 8) Servers that are running that new plugin, > > >> which lies about the > > >> > total > > >> > number of available slots.there's 32 slots but 24 > > >> are advertised!!! > > >> > > > >> > 9) Servers with unsuitable chat language for > > >> minors. > > >> > > > >> > 10) Servers with 2 slots, passworded, that say > > >> "Valve doesn't listen to > > >> > server admins" as their server name. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Right. That's my list. Odds anyone? > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or > > >> view the list archives, > > >> > please visit: > > >> > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> ... black holes are where god divided by zero. > > >> -- > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >> archives, please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________ > > > ________ > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives > answers, not web > > > links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > list archives, > > > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > list archives, > > > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list archives, > > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
