There is no other solution to this problem other than to add 3 tabs
(internet, standard, custom) or to go back to one tab with all of the new
filters.

Anything else is beating around the bush and not really solving anything.

This seems to be what a majority of people want.

- voogru.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:43 AM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2
community.

like i said in another message:

Remove the custom tab, add the server-tags and the filter-options into the
internet tab and everything would be fine.
with the current system i don't see any sense to add tags into my server ...

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru'
MacDonald
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 4:26 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2
community.

That'd be fine.

Right under the VAC message.

'This server is custom and game play may or may not be different'.

It's a good excuse to increase the size of that message and perhaps let
server operators add a message while they connect to the server.

Because we all know people read the MOTDS...

- voogru.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kitteny Berk
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:17 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve, thank you for virtually destroying my TF2
community.

I agree with that entirely.

Just adding a checkbox (like in the whole Battlefield, CoD and 
(probably) Quake series of games) would work nicely,  it's a method most 
"hardcore" gamers are used to and one that newer gamers should get used 
to, because it's the industry standard.

Hell, even if valve have to add a "this server is using these rules" 
thing to the loading screen, that'd be better than tabs

I'd personally love to be able to add handy info like 
"offensivepissheads;custommaps" to my server without getting bumped over 
to the short bus tab.

LDuke wrote:
> I'm pretty sure most people who are able to download and install steam are
> also able to click a check box that has the words "Standard Servers Only"
> next to it.  Check boxes are a common feature in most applications and
many
> web pages.  It's not for "hard core gamers" anymore than sending an email
is
> for "hard core communicators."
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Matthew Cheale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>   
>> I put that you think one tab is best because it is what you are used to
>> and the
>> idea of two tabs doesn't fit your mental model.  I also put that
>> comprehensive
>> filtering options are great for your more hardcore gamer but that gaming
>> needs
>> to push out of hardcore alone.  By offering simpler systems for people
who
>> are
>> not so technically minded as hardcore gamers helps open up the game to
the
>> masses, people who when they first play a game don't want to be bombarded
>> with
>> strange rule x, y and z, get fed up and quit the game.  At the end of the
>> day,
>> the UI needs to be usable by the lowest, reasonable, common denominator.
>>
>> --
>> With regards,
>>
>> Matthew Cheale
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