You can't post stats if the facts you base them on are incomplete.  Not sure
what you're doing different, but I have many more than 132 servers in my
Custom tab.  As of 11:55AM EST, I have 630 servers in the Custom tab.

Maybe there's a problem with your Steam install or another issue on your
end.  We all know how to use the tab system, and as far as I can tell by the
amount of full servers that I see right now, when I say we, I don't mean I.

Honestly, just try to adhere by the guidelines set by Valve for a week and
see how it goes.  But it's going to take the effort of ALL the server
admins, not just a few.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 1. Yes, so let's get rid of the custom tab and just delist custom servers.
>
> That is, after all, what you are saying. Nobody wants to play custom
> servers. I guess that's why I receive enough donations from players to
> cover
> 65-70% of my server costs each month.
>
> Because no one wants to play on my 'custom' server.
>
> Right.
>
> The fact of the matter is, people are interested in custom servers.
>
> 2. Perhaps custom servers are on the internet tab as a result of the
> servers
> dying due to being 90% less visible.
> 3. It counts all queries, except if a player queries both servers at the
> same exact time (out of game browser.)
>
> I'm in this game for the long haul, the two tabs system in my opinion is
> setting things up for a long term failure.
>
> - voogru.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L.
> Church
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:10 AM
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab
>
> Perhaps there is another possible reason.
>
> 1) Perhaps people are not interested in custom servers as much as you
> may think.
> 2) Perhaps people don't move to the custom tag because most all of the
> custom servers are in the internet tab currently.
> 3) Your test environment is flawed. When the game starts up and you
> click on "find servers", it defaults to the internet tab. This means if
> someone wants to go to the custom tab, they HAVE to go to the internet
> tab as well. Please delete the total of the custom queries from the
> internet total. Then, what about refreshes? Are you only allowing 1 hit
> from a specific IP within a certain timeframe? What is that timeframe?
> If not, why do you allow refreshes to count on either tab?
>
> Not trying to say it isn't revealing what your page shows... Just saying
> that it may not be revealing what you expect.
>
> Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
>  > Yesterday I decided to do an experiment.
>  >
>  > I have made 2 experimental servers. These servers are brand new and
> have
>  > never been played on. They will not be in anyone's favorites or HLSW
> viewer.
>  > They are not real servers and will not accept incoming connections.
>  >
>  > One of the servers is on the Internet Tab. The other one is on the
> Custom
>  > Tab.
>  >
>  > Since the out of game server browser does not have a Custom Tab, all
> servers
>  > are displayed on that. Since I really only want to count the queries
> made by
>  > the in-game browser so I am filtering out queries if someone queries
> both
>  > servers at the same exact time, some can leak through but I don't
> think that
>  > will affect the stats too much.
>  >
>  > http://www.voogru.com/server/queries.php
>  >
>  > This page is in real time and can be refreshed to receive instant
> updates.
>  >
>  > At of the time of this writing, the custom tab servers receive about
> a 90%
>  > reduction in queries, even after players have had the little message
>  > explaining the custom tab.
>  >
>  > I wish I would have started this experiment sooner.
>  >
>  > - voogru.
>  >
>  >
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