Valve don't make the rules when it comes to our servers. They only have the
right to protect their IP. So if someone comes in my server who has 3
arms... and I have a no 3 arm'd people rule... then they are out.
If an admin is being an idiot, then the players can connect to another
server. Easy.

2008/11/13 Cc2iscooL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Even though I consider voogru generally annoying... ;)
>
> He does have a point. You own the server, you own the rights to do whatever
> you want and enforce whatever rules you want. Period. If you don't like the
> way admins run their servers, start up a listen server and bitch to the
> people that join and then complain that the game is laggy. :)
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Mob ftw.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L.
> > Church
> > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:44 PM
> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
> >
> > I seriously don't want to argue the point more then I already did. It
> > appears other server operators feel differently and the mob will rule on
> > this one.
> >
> > Comparing a rented server to your house or nightclub is silly. Also,
> > comparing kicking someone equaling murder is also silly.
> >
> > Decide what you want. I'm out of the L4D game.
> >
> > Timothy L Havener wrote:
> > > So Valve is going to go down that road and blacklist the IP of anyone
> > > who kicks someone unfairly?  Besides that is also only for ranked
> > > servers.  There are unranked servers that do not have those rules and
> > > you can do as you please.
> > >
> > > J T wrote:
> > >> Battlefiedl 2 ROE was a means of allowing "10 year olds" play the game
> > and
> > >> not get his feelings hurt. In essence, you couldn't do what you liked
> > with
> > >> your server if it conflicted with the ROE. Like pistol only servers.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Timothy L Havener <
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Why not argue the point?  If you are going to make such a ludicrous
> > >>> statement please back it up with logic.  So I pay for a server for my
> > >>> friends and I to play on or just for the heck of it and I should have
> > no
> > >>> say as to what goes on? Who in their right mind would waste the time?
> > If
> > >>> Valve wants to control the gaming experience so some ten year old
> > >>> doesn't get his feelings hurt then let them pay for their own
> servers.
> > >>> I am not going to pay for them to have a place for other people to
> play
> > >>> where I have no say.  Everyone is afraid of the big bad admin.  Do
> this
> > >>> and see how quickly you have no community and no where to play.
> > >>>
> > >>> Leonard L. Church wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I am serious Spencer. I know we don't agree on allot of things and
> > this
> > >>>> appears to be another one, so let's kindly not argue the point.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> You can't be serious.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard
> L.
> > >>>>>
> > >>> Church
> > >>>
> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:40 AM
> > >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] L4d vote kicking
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Personally, I think that if you open up your server to the public
> > (and
> > >>>>> you are by listing on the lobby server), then your rights go out
> the
> > >>>>> window as far as you never being kicked or choosing what things get
> > >>>>> voted on.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think this would be a step backwards as abusive admins can just
> sit
> > >>>>> and wait for people to join up, grief them until they leave, then
> > wait
> > >>>>> for them to rejoin.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Valve, please don't do this.
> > >>>>>
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