I've stayed quiet on this one but seriously i'm sick of the spam. If you want to whine about Valve go create your own mail list and feel free to do it all you want.
I know that many of you have been hosting servers for a long time, I also know many of you haven't im also assuming some people on this list aren't hosters at all. However little support from games companies from isn't something new, it has been going on size the first dedicated server was released. Valve traditionally are far far far better then most if not all companies on releasing patches and fixes. Anyone here heard of the Battlefield series of games? However this isn't the problem here, have any of you actually wondered if it is actually us as a whole who have caused the problem of valve "not listening". Ive been on this mail list for many many years, way before steam was released, back when CS was really the only game it talked about. The list was 1000x better then it is now. If there was a post it was us or someone helping someone else or a release. No crying that Valve don't love us, It was even before GSPs went on huge rants because a patch didn't do they wanted and it was costing them money. Back then Valve responded to most if not all problems. Why because when they did everyone said thank you and didn't scream boycott and cry foul. People get over it. Valve are a business, Valve of course want sales, they same way you do. We aren't valves customers if anything most of you are using something Valve give out for free to make money. And on a final note, i love people who scream boycott, why? because when you do it mean more player for us when when we ignore it. I'm actually more annoyed at the people on the list who have changed it into what it is today rather then a useful list like it used to be. I don't care about your business, what upsets you at night, how the world is out to get you, or your dick size. I care about patches and fixes with people willing to contribute to make something better, not whinge about why it isn't. So for the people working out bugs, making mods, and generally helping others, I salute you. For the rest maybe you should start a blog. On a final note, If you tell someone they are shit at playing catch every time they come round to play catch, eventually they will stop coming around. That is what valve has done. PS. yes I do feel bad about contributing to this tripe. Kingsley -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jon" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:43 AM To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! > Agreed! > > Jon > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] > [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kveri [[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:07 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! > > I agree. > > Kveri > > Blood Letter wrote / napísal(a): >> If Valve completely ignores server operators who provide free servers, >> without which their games would be useless, they suck. >> >> If Valve lets long standing bugs, exploits, and security issues go >> unattended while focusing only on the latest content update + free >> weekend, they clearly prioritize sales over customers. >> >> I don't know about Valve's office, but if something goes wrong with a >> system at my office, even on Christmas day, we respond to it, and come >> into the office if necessary. If there are fires wreaking havoc with the >> power grid and people are being evacuated from their homes, we coordinate >> to make sure our servers are backed up, the backups are offsite, and the >> servers are safe. >> >> If someone at Valve wants a break, they can take vacation days. Do they >> only have 3 guys, and each only does 1 thing? I hope not. Any company >> worth it's salt knows you need redundancy in your mind share. >> >> Valve IS ignoring this list, by not replying. They get torn apart >> because they never respond to important issues, they're always late, and >> they never, EVER, provide clear and complete answers, let alone any >> semblance of documentation. >> >> Even if I were a child, I would still be a paying customer. If you're >> saying Valve gets a pass because gaming is not a priority in life, then >> you don't understand a single thing about having a job. If your job is >> to make games, you do that. If your job is to deliver mail, you do that. >> Working in a particular job sector does not give you the right to slack >> off. >> >> If Valve fixes everything and provides complete and correct >> documentation, then they get support and sales. Going from an F to an A >> doesn't change the fact that you still had an F. >> >> No one is treating Valve like shit. We are simply demanding we get some >> support, some documentation, and some communication. We get none of >> those things. Being a customer DOES give you the right to expect a >> certain level of quality and service from the business you are >> patronizing. >> >> If Valve's priorities continue to diverge from what so many of us expect, >> that's fine. They'll just lose our money and our support. Let's be >> clear here - server admins are supporting Valve, not the other way >> around. I'm sorry I can't apply for a job at Valve, I already have a job >> of my own. I can't be programming for everyone in the world, can I? >> Regardless, I wouldn't want to work in an office where a complete lack of >> customer support gets a passing grade. >> >> Valve's lack of support and communication is indefensible to anyone with >> even a remote knowledge of programming and software development. >> >> >>> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 11:12:41 -0500 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer! >>> >>> If Valve doesn't do everything we say, they suck. If Valve doesn't fix >>> everything now, they suck. If Valve doesn't kiss our asses every second >>> of >>> every day, they suck. They don't care, they won't fix this, they refuse >>> to >>> fix that. All they want is our money. >>> >>> You all sound like a broken record. And worse than that, you have no >>> lives >>> outside of this thing we have here. Did anyone stop to think that since >>> they all busted their asses for who knows how long getting Left 4 Dead >>> out >>> the door, while providing updates to TF2 the whole time, that >>> maybe...just >>> maybe, they'd want to take a break for a little while during the >>> holidays? >>> You know...so they could spend time with their families. >>> >>> Honestly, since release of TOB, there have been a relentless amount of >>> updates to their products. In the time that has passed from TOB until >>> now, >>> the only people being neglected were probably most of the families of >>> Valve >>> employees. Does anyone feel they deserve a little break? >>> >>> They're ignoring us? Really? You think so? Does anyone here subscribe >>> to >>> HLCoders? A little civility goes a long way. In my opinion, Valve >>> isn't >>> ignoring this list, they just don't want to reply. I swear, this list = >>> SPUF sometimes. Any two words they say are held against them forever. >>> >>> I know that a lot of kids subscribe to this list, so it would be >>> difficult >>> for a lot of you to understand, but there is such a thing as priorities >>> in >>> life. Gaming is not as high on that list once you have a family to take >>> care of and a boss to answer to. And you are not the boss of anyone at >>> Valve. >>> >>> Valve knows about the problems, obviously. You all keep saying the same >>> things over and over. Give them a break. Just because you didn't have >>> anything to do for the past couple of weeks doesn't mean they had to sit >>> around and hop on every little problem we have. What happens when >>> updates >>> are released to address the current existing issues? Are you going to >>> apologize for acting like a bunch of assholes or are you going to feel >>> stupid for saying things like, "Valve doesn't care about their games >>> anymore"? Wait...I know. 90% of you will say, "Finally." 5% won't be >>> happy no matter what. 4% will bring up another issue that Valve is >>> ignoring. And 1% will say, "Thank you." >>> >>> Yes, we paid money for the game. But $50 does not give you the right to >>> treat the people trying to help you like shit. Sometimes the problems >>> that >>> you claim are easy fixes may not be so easy to fix. And since most of >>> you >>> know for a fact that it's an easy fix, there's always >>> [email protected] >>> . >>> >>> Grow up. They are aware of the problems. Like Aaron said, there are >>> your >>> priorities and then there are business priorities. Just because the >>> issues >>> high on your list may not be high on theirs doesn't mean they're >>> ignoring >>> you. But then, it would be stupid of me to assume that most of you >>> would >>> understand any of that, especially given your attitudes over the past >>> few >>> months. >>> >>> -Richard Eid >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> It’s the same Hotmail®. 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