I took some time to digest this whole HoneyPot on Cheese (achievements) for the Scout that msleeper of F7lans has thrust upon the TF2 Game. Many of you have responded directly to msleeper for his logic (or illogic) behind his methods of creating such a venue and some to his defense.
That venue being to put up a sign that says, Come on in and get your Cheese!! We have all kinds for your palette!! (X duration passes. BANNED for 30 Days) - my personal POV of it msleeper, sorry. I do have an issue with how this was pitched by msleeper and I think it’s where most of the other server admins root offense to msleeper is derived. The fact is that msleeper’s description of the plugin on various sites has the wording “ACHIEVEMENT FARMERS, BE WARNED! SERVER ADMINS ARE FIGHTING BACK!” and “TAKE BACK TEAM FORTRESS!” (This one is on Steam forums, but I have seen them similarly elsewhere). Again, msleeper’s reasoning is because he believes or his “opinion” is that Cheese farming is “cheating”. This is what I gather is the foundation for the plugin. Two things come out of this with respect to the majority of the server admins here: 1) …Server Admins are fighting back snippet implies every server admin is doing this, when in fact that is so far from reality or common sense, and 2) How msleeper qualifies cheese farming in his view to be cheating. I’m not here to say what other people should or should not be doing. I give credit to msleeper’s poorly executed joke early on of citing his HoneyPot as a Chris Hansen operation. Damn dude, cheese farming is SO like breaking the law. For me that was just distasteful b/c it gave a sense that you were being noble in some way. I also give credit in that some people see this topic differently though (eg, I hate farmer altogether, BAN them, I like to farm in certain ways, or who the eff cares, etc.). We all have our Communities, created by whatever means we (server admins) chose. The problem here is not cheese itself, nor Valve, nor the players. The problem, even with all the stipulations msleeper delineated, is the idea or notion that other Server Admins are doing this also (ie. Server Admins are Fighting Back, etc.). This was my interpretation of msleeper’s announcement. Maybe some of you felt the same or other. I personally do not associate myself to this as I chose to be proactive with my Community and just password the server. This allowed our Community to play TF2 “normally” or “typically” the way we play without random players. No cheese map at all. If ppl want to farm, then they can try, but they were told not to expect not getting killed or w/e due to others choosing to play typically. Just sharing what the [FLASH] venue is during this Scout Update. Finally, every issue in life, especially polarizing ones, requires some sort of qualification, basis, justification, etc. This also means that assumptions even need the same. Standing behind “…its just my opinion” just does not cut it when its in the same sentence or words of some righteous act for server admins abound. Ahhh, hell…this is a puter game!! [FLASH] MjrNuT Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality www.flamesandash.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:36:08 -0500 > From: Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 > > The people you have at the top are representative of the type of outfit you > run. > > If you're stuck with having a moron at the top because he provides free > hosting or what not, then you have my deepest sympathies. > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
