Yeah, I think some of us here have come to the conclusion that this whole thing might a tad bit of an overreaction. I don't think we need to grind that back and forth any longer. And I agree with 100% with Patrick that this kind of list is something that should be kept primarily private. I don't see anything wrong with releasing it to those who ask for it but I hate to think of someone importing a list of people banned for 'farming' by a careless admin thinking it's a list of hackers or something of that nature (which is exactly the first thing going through my head on first reading the original post).
I know you feel strongly that achievement servers are 'cheating', but your opinions aren't really relevant here, not more than any other contributors. It's a gray area, I don't think you seem to realize that. And this really isn't the list to be promoting server-side plugins other than ones created primarily to fix bugs/exploits/crashes, etc. Major NuT wrote: > I took some time to digest this whole HoneyPot on Cheese (achievements) for > the Scout that msleeper of F7lans has thrust upon the TF2 Game. Many of you > have responded directly to msleeper for his logic (or illogic) behind his > methods of creating such a venue and some to his defense. > > > > That venue being to put up a sign that says, Come on in and get your > Cheese!! We have all kinds for your palette!! (X duration passes. BANNED > for 30 Days) - my personal POV of it msleeper, sorry. > > > > I do have an issue with how this was pitched by msleeper and I think it’s > where most of the other server admins root offense to msleeper is derived. > The > fact is that msleeper’s description of the plugin on various sites has the > wording “ACHIEVEMENT FARMERS, BE WARNED! SERVER ADMINS ARE FIGHTING BACK!” > and > “TAKE BACK TEAM FORTRESS!” (This one is on Steam forums, but I have seen > them similarly elsewhere). Again, msleeper’s reasoning is because he > believes or his “opinion” is that Cheese farming is “cheating”. This is > what I gather is the foundation for the plugin. > > > > Two things come out of this with respect to the majority of the server > admins here: 1) …Server Admins are fighting back snippet implies every > server admin is doing this, when in fact that is so far from reality or > common sense, and 2) How msleeper qualifies cheese farming in his view to be > cheating. > > > > I’m not here to say what other people should or should not be doing. I give > credit to msleeper’s poorly executed joke early on of citing his HoneyPot as > a Chris Hansen operation. Damn dude, cheese farming is SO like breaking the > law. For me that was just distasteful b/c it gave a sense that you were > being noble in some way. I also give credit in that some people see this > topic differently though (eg, I hate farmer altogether, BAN them, I like to > farm in certain ways, or who the eff cares, etc.). We all have our > Communities, created by whatever means we (server admins) chose. > > > > The problem here is not cheese itself, nor Valve, nor the players. The > problem, even with all the stipulations msleeper delineated, is the idea or > notion that other Server Admins are doing this also (ie. Server Admins are > Fighting Back, etc.). This was my interpretation of msleeper’s > announcement. Maybe some of you felt the same or other. > > > > I personally do not associate myself to this as I chose to be proactive with > my Community and just password the server. This allowed our Community to > play TF2 “normally” or “typically” the way we play without random players. No > cheese map at all. If ppl want to farm, then they can try, but they were > told not to expect not getting killed or w/e due to others choosing to play > typically. Just sharing what the [FLASH] venue is during this Scout Update. > > > > > Finally, every issue in life, especially polarizing ones, requires some sort > of qualification, basis, justification, etc. This also means that > assumptions even need the same. Standing behind “…its just my opinion” just > does not cut it when its in the same sentence or words of some righteous act > for server admins abound. Ahhh, hell…this is a puter game!! > > > [FLASH] MjrNuT > Arise from Flames and Ash, Behold Immortality > > www.flamesandash.com > > > > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:36:08 -0500 >> From: Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 >> >> The people you have at the top are representative of the type of outfit you >> run. >> >> If you're stuck with having a moron at the top because he provides free >> hosting or what not, then you have my deepest sympathies. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
