I dont reward msleeper in any way. Like i said, if he had read the entire email, he would have answered his own question.
My money is on that he *did* read the entire email, and knows full well why it ended up on hlds, and that his "relevant to server administration" comment was just to wind others up. But to quote one of his catchphrases ... "i dont reward stupidity" On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, f0rkz <[email protected]> wrote: > CLEVER > > f0rkz > > On Apr 13, 2009, at 5:13 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: > > > Fork off > > > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:11 PM, f0rkz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Inb4internet bully. > >> > >> Grow up. > >> > >> f0rkz > >> > >> > >> On Apr 13, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Patrick Shelley wrote: > >> > >>> Its a pity you dont care enough about being a complete tosser. > >>> > >>> Like i said, twat, if you'd have read the whole email you'd have > >>> answered > >>> your own fucking question. > >>> > >>> Nice to see your still plumbing the depths of your own stupidity. > >>> Looks like > >>> your still coming up with fresh ways to show everyone what a prick > >>> you are. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 9:59 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> If I cared about the hlmappers list I'd subscribe there. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 21:47 +0100, Patrick Shelley wrote: > >>>>> Get a grip you twat - read the whole fucking email and you would > >>>>> have > >>>> found > >>>>> out why it ended up on the hlds. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is hlmappers email and someone decided to post it on hlds - > >>>>> but if > >>>>> you'd have spared 1 ounze of common sense you'd have read what > >>>>> happened. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:15 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Cool article but this has what to do with server administration? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 09:47 +0100, Philip Bembridge wrote: > >>>>>>> Interesting post on the HLmappers mailing list :-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Phil > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2009/4/5 Nathan Voge <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I just thought I would throw up this quote from a Gamasutra > >>>>>>>> article > >>>> on > >>>>>> The > >>>>>>>> Cabal: Valve’s Design Process For Creating Half-Life found at > >>>>>>>> http://www.gamasutra.com/features/19991210/birdwell_01.htm > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [ > >>>>>>>> No Good Deed Goes Unpunished > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Until the Cabal process got underway, technology was added to > >>>> Half-Life > >>>>>>>> freely. It was assumed that "if we build it, they will come," > >>>> meaning > >>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> any new technology would just naturally find a creative use by > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>> content > >>>>>>>> creation folks. A prime example of this fallacy was our "beam" > >>>> effect, > >>>>>>>> basically a technique for doing highly tunable squiggly glowing > >>>> lines > >>>>>>>> between two points; stuff like lightning, lasers, and > >>>>>>>> mysterious > >>>>>> glowing > >>>>>>>> beams of energy. It was added to the engine, the parameters > >>>>>>>> were > >>>>>> exposed, > >>>>>>>> and an e-mail was sent out explaining it. The result was … > >>>>>>>> nothing. > >>>>>> After > >>>>>>>> two months only one level designer had put it in a map. > >>>>>>>> Engineering > >>>> was > >>>>>>>> baffled. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> During the Cabal process, we realized that although the level > >>>> designers > >>>>>>>> knew of the feature, they really had no clear idea of what it > >>>>>>>> was > >>>> for. > >>>>>> The > >>>>>>>> parameters were all very cryptic, and the wrong combinations > >>>>>>>> would > >>>>>> cause the > >>>>>>>> beams to have very ugly-looking effects. There were no decent > >>>> textures > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> apply to them, and setting them up was a bit of a mystery. It > >>>> became > >>>>>> very > >>>>>>>> clear the technology itself was only a small part of the work > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> integration, training, and follow-through were absolutely > >>>>>>>> necessary > >>>> to > >>>>>> make > >>>>>>>> the technology useful to the game. Writing the code was > >>>>>>>> typically > >>>> less > >>>>>> than > >>>>>>>> half the problem. > >>>>>>>> ] > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It still seems that this problem is still around Source > >>>>>>>> modding, > >>>>>>>> mapping,... The technology is there to do almost anything we > >>>>>>>> want, > >>>> but > >>>>>> we > >>>>>>>> still have to search and trial and error for hours to achieve > >>>>>>>> it. > >>>> I'm > >>>>>>>> speaking as someone who has left and returned to many of my > >>>>>>>> maps > >>>> over > >>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> over again because I don't have the time for another full time > >>>>>>>> job > >>>> - > >>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> that is what it currently takes to make sense of it all. I'm > >>>>>>>> only > >>>>>> posting > >>>>>>>> this because the L4D SDK is on the horizon and I'd love to > >>>>>>>> get my > >>>> ideas > >>>>>> into > >>>>>>>> maps without having to reverse engineer maps (I talk here about > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>> complex > >>>>>>>> example maps that are sometimes included in the SDKs and not > >>>> decompiled > >>>>>>>> maps), or trial and error (guess) what entities work > >>>>>>>> together, or > >>>> have > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> wait/search for community tutorials. Please improve this > >>>> drastically > >>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> the next SDK release. I know I and the rest of the community > >>>>>>>> would > >>>>>> thank you > >>>>>>>> Valve. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ~Nate > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>> archives, > >>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>> archives, > >>>>>> please visit: > >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>> archives, > >>>> please visit: > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>> archives, > >>>> please visit: > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
