And again, one of the problems with group banning is that some people 
may be in the group with no intention of griefing and are just there as 
they were invited etc. Stick to banning hacking groups.

msleeper wrote:
> Well it looks like they've changed the group description unfortunately,
> but it's written up and down in their like 900 page thread on the Steam
> boards that their intention is to disrupt gameplay and teamwork. That's
> a pretty text-book definition of griefing if you ask me.
>
> The whole point of this (awesome, long standing) thread is to point out
> groups that people think are doing bad things. Nobody is forcing anyone
> to blindly accept group banning anyone here, and nobody is saying it has
> to be permanent. In a week or 2 this whole halo craze is going to blow
> over, so that's how long I've set my bans for. I think these people
> represent a threat to the game in the same way Team Romba did months ago
> when they were super popular at causing problems in game. Same result,
> different means.
>
> And for the record I think that anyone who only heals his 1 or 2 friends
> is a pretty useless team member and I'll happily
> slap/slay/blind/drug/whatever that Medic all day long. But that's really
> not the point here.
>
>
> On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 17:27 -0500, Alex wrote:
>   
>> Thats not griefing any more than having someone in your server who 
>> chooses not to heal anyone but his friend's... They aren't ruining the 
>> game for anyone else, if you think someone not healing you all of a 
>> sudden means that they are griefing, get in check with reality.
>>
>> msleeper wrote:
>>     
>>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/HealersAgainstHalos
>>> Medic griefing group.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 17:19 +0100, Philip Bembridge wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> I would happy to mirror it on my home server for a little bit if you would
>>>> like.But someone would have to email me it first :-)
>>>>
>>>> 2009/9/1 Alex <chewy_s...@hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> How can they have both clan servers and hacking sites and still be
>>>>> legit? What the hell, I have played on their servers before. Looks like
>>>>> I will be steering clear.
>>>>>
>>>>> Violent Crimes wrote:
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hacking Community. They develop hacks for multiple games.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/187ci
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://steamcommunity.com/actions/Search?K=187ci
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P. Bhandal wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> E-mailed it to you as an attachment. Let me know if you don't receive
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> it.
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Kyle Sanderson <kyle.l...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Sorry to "bump" this but can anyone mirror the
>>>>>>>> steam_group_parser.exe<
>>>>>>>> http://69.4.224.185/steam_group_parser/steam_group_parser.exe>file
>>>>>>>> that D4rkR0w wrote? His box seems to be down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kyle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:16 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Wow, amazing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Nightbox <
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>> alexandrualexa...@gmail.com
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I pwned him by rebooting his computer xD
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2009/8/12 Octo <octodhd_h...@monkeyrings.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/colond
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Opening paragraph:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Colon D Clan is an unbelievably cool, private, invite-only
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>> griefing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>> clan for Valve Software's Team Fortress 2, along with various other
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> games,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> led by ??n??gger :D, oreo :D, and Greaser Dan :D. Our clan was
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>> originally
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>> founded sometime in the late summer of 1947 by famous porn star
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>> Steinmann, Rice Factoryman Andrew Tran, and Milkbagger Benvenuto
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>> Garisto
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> battle the Native Ugandans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:27:26PM +0200, Donnie Newlove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't you read? I said why I posted those when I first did it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Cracking/hacking groups, same people that spam servers using
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>> A2C_PRINT.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/csrinru
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/dz-community
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/warez-bb";
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Kyle Sanderson<
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>> kyle.l...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm in a couple community groups myself for some Torrent Sites,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>> Should
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave and warn everyone in the group that some server admins are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant? Seriously? The Myg0t groups and actual hacking groups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> a no
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brainier and you will have everyone's support here. But banning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>> community
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups who share a common interest that has nothing to do with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>> games
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>> what so
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever? Please, it is the same as banning The Teamwork Movement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your server...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kyle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:39 PM, D4rKr0W <dark...@dpi-clan.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc2iscooL ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haxxor witch hunt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OH EM GEE IN HAXOR GROUP MUST BE HAXOR LOL BAN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer to wait until they actually do that kind of thing, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that just do mass invites and/or people are just retarded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to the cheats they're looking for.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention stuff like Kyle here. Warez =/= hack users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most of the guys that you're banning probably don't even use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hacks. Oh well, if you want to be lazy I guess this thread is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Like right now I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could make a totally awesome group teh computer haxors on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>> Steam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you guys would ban me even if I never used hacks and the group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just for the fun of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether these guys actually have bad intentions or are just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>> plain
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>> dumb,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i don't really care, both of these are good enough excuses not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them ruining my games, assuming they'll ever join the servers i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care of. Plus, i think we already have our hands full with buggy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gameservers, buggy games, angry teenagers and all the lovely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out from the mix of these three things.
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