Truth. Filesystems are only as good as the drivers driving them.
I daresay though that most of the "NTFS rocks" comments are those that haven't used a *NIX system with items such as Reiser/XFS and ext4 ;) Ook wrote: > I remember a while ago one of our "certified" techs bragging about how > bullet proof his box was because he was using ntfs. At the time I kept a DOS > boot disk with me that had ntfs drivers on it so I could boot from floopy > and still access ntfs partitions. It took less then five minutes to wipe the > smug grin off of his face. I think he learned an important lesson in what > security really means :-) > > Out here in the real world, I find three types of people. People with certs, > people that can get stuff done, and very rarely someone with certs that can > actually get stuff done. Certs are good for impressing management and > getting jobs. They don't mean squat when it comes to actually knowing what > you are doing. > > None of which has squat to do with running a server. Except maybe I've run > my HL server on a fat32 partition for years and years and never once has > anything happened that made me wish I would have been using ntfs. I've even > run my server from a shared drive that was ext2 for a while and that worked > surprisingly well. File corruption problems went away when I stopped using > Win98. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Blood Letter" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available > > > >> There is no reason FAT32 would be less secure than NTFS. >> >> The built-in security permissions of NTFS are pointless, and the OS can >> ignore them at any time. >> The only "security" NTFS has is encryption, which no one uses, is weak >> compared to non-file system-based methods, and in general is a pointless >> overhead. >> >> NTFS is bloated and has lots of overhead. >> >> FAT32 is great, but the limitations on depth, file size, and number of >> files are a problem. >> Fragmentation and corruption are also a problem. >> >> This is why we have FAT64 (exFAT). >> >> >>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:05:21 -0800 >>> From: [email protected] >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available >>> >>> I always convert fat32 to NTFS on portable drives. I transfer or backup >>> files that are over 4GB all the time, can't do that with a fat32. Fat32 >>> fragments much more than NTFS, has many other features missing. No >>> Windows server should be running on a fat32 partition for security >>> reasons alone, not even counting on performance issues. For OS's I only >>> run windows system and I no longer support anything older than 2000 so I >>> have no compatibility problems. FAT is a very old spec, maybe it is time >>> to get into the new stuff :) >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew >>> Gottlieb >>> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 7:05 AM >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available >>> >>> If you are running steam off a portable drive, it is most likely >>> fat32. Also, people running multiple operating systems still >>> generally will have at least one fat32 partition for compatibility >>> reasons. >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Mike Fleener <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I am a real world certified tech and there is no reason for using fat32 >>>> on a windows systems and many reasons for using NTFS. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> Macaw Enterprises >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ook >>>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:55 PM >>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available >>>> >>>> Because ntfs isn't the only file system in the world? Because many of >>>> us >>>> >>>> keep some partitions fat32 because there is no reason to use ntfs? >>>> Because >>>> we haven't got around to it? It may offend the purist, but out there in >>>> the >>>> real world a lot of people use fat32 for a variety of reasons. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jonah Hirsch" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:57 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> My thoughts exactly. But because that was fixed, SOMEONE is using >>>>> >>>> FAT32. >>>> >>>>> The >>>>> question is: why? >>>>> >>>>> Jonah Hirsch >>>>> ----------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 7:54 PM, msleeper >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> If you are using a computer that still has a FAT32 partition, you >>>>>> deserve to have your games crash. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 18:50 -0800, Ook wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm guessing the crash on startup fix is for the client, not the >>>>>>> server? >>>>>>> >>>>>> My >>>>>> >>>>>>> server has always run fine on fat32, but there is NTFS WTF VALVE? >>>>>>> >>>> being >>>> >>>>>>> screamed from one side of steam support to the other over what >>>>>>> >>>> happened >>>> >>>>>> to >>>>>> >>>>>>> the client a week or so ago :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Jason Ruymen" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>; "'Half-Lifededicated Linux >>>>>>> >>>> server >>>> >>>>>> mailing >>>>>> >>>>>>> list'" <[email protected]>; >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:32 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [hlds] Left 4 Dead 2 Update Available >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A required update for Left 4 Dead 2 is now available. Please run >>>>>>>> hldsupdatetool to receive the update. The specific changes >>>>>>>> >>>> include: >>>> >>>>>>>> - Fixed crash on startup when using FAT32 file system >>>>>>>> - Fixed in-game chat input where the local encoding differs from >>>>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>>> input >>>>>> >>>>>>>> language's >>>>>>>> - Fixed bug where Survivor Bots would sometimes become >>>>>>>> >>>> unresponsive >>>> >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> Scavenge games >>>>>>>> - Updated subtitle localization files for Hungarian, Portuguese, >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Romanian >>>>>> >>>>>>>> and Russian >>>>>>>> - Fixed exploit that allowed players on the Infected team to >>>>>>>> >>>> spawn >>>> >>>>>>>> directly next to the Survivors >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jason >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, >>>>>>>> please visit: >>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> >>>> archives, >>>> >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> >>>> archives, >>>> >>>>>> please visit: >>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live Hotmail gives you a free,exclusive gift. >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/hotmail_bl1/hotmail_bl1.aspx?ocid=PID23879::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-ww:WM_IMHM_7:092009 >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
