I would add that most of these admins are willingly violating this policy. Many of them used to have FASTRESPAWN in their hostnames and once this policy went into effect the plugin was renamed and the FASTRESPAWN disappeared. This policy has been in place for months and Fletcher Dunn has only reported the de-listing of Fake Clients and Bot Plugins. This is much more rampant and if you have been an admin for as long as this policy has been in place you most likely are aware of it. They have been unapproved in alliedmodders since 2 days after the policy was enacted.
----- Original Message ----- From: "ics" <[email protected]> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:15:41 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without tags OK? I think that these plugins that Todd posted are really breaking the rules of quickplay and the owners should be punished accordingly. They might not do it willingly, might have just grabbed a plugin and now know about the rules of quickplay. Then again, if they registered their servers to receive traffic, they will know about the rules too. So, there should be made a check which of these servers that use these 2 plugins are using it as is, without setting the tag. Those plugins do not set the tag and they have been disproved for it. Also, it's not so easy to keep server populated after quickplay came in. A lot of custom map servers and over 24 slotters took a big hit. Even if you have regulars, there never isn't going to be enough of those in every area and some regulars have gone, what is replacing them is new players through quickplay and that is impossible if there are more than 24 slots (penalty is too high) or custom maps (no traffic while they are on, except through server browser). So those people that cheat with the plugins and faking tags are winning. I don't mind competition but servers breaking the rules - it's hard to compete against them. It means less players for rest of us, while the rulebreakers get players through quickplay despite having modified respawn times with plugins that don't set the tags. -ics 31.7.2012 21:58, E. Olsen kirjoitti: Of course I agree that rules should apply to everyone equally. However, saying that a " a 32 player server using mp_respawnwavetimes has no chance against violators of the policy. " isn't even remotely true. I'm looking at 10 of my servers that are full (32-players) right now that have the following tags set: HlstatsX:CE,_registered,increased_maxplayers,noquickplay,replays,respawntimes Obviously, with those tags set, they are not currently receiving any quickplay traffic, yet they will remain full until 1-3am EST. Are modified servers like that harder to fill since the addition of quickplay? Of course - but it is certainly not impossible. Hell, we run a 32-player server that runs nothing but 26 custom payload maps, and it is the busiest server in our fleet. My point being that while I understand and agree that everyone should be held to the same standard to maintain a level playing field - the fact that some people break the rules does not prevent your server (or any server) from being successful. It makes it slightly more difficult, perhaps....but certainly not impossible with consistent traffic-building/server seeding efforts. Building a core-group of server "regulars" is something that takes a huge amount of time - and with the age of TF2, it is only going to get harder, but I don't think anything any other server operator does can "prevent" someone else's success. Sure, server admins are within their "rights" to seek out and report violators if they wish to - my point was that their time would probably be better spend focusing on what they're doing, as opposed to what the other guys are. I honestly have not set foot on anyone else's TF2 servers in 3+ years, nor do I try to bird-dog the server browser - simply because I don't care what they are doing - my focus is on my servers, and delivering the experience my players want. Take that for what it's worth. On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Todd Pettit < [email protected] > wrote: That is the whole point of my argument. It is very apparent the thousands of new players who joined after TF2 went F2P prefer fast respawntimes and often prefer 32 player servers. However, if you run a server within the rules of Valve's policy of truth you do not get the benefit of the quickplay system and a 32 player server using mp_respawnwavetimes has no chance against violators of the policy. Do not say its because I don't know how to run a server either. All my 24 player servers are 100 percent full for 3/4 of the day. People who play 32 player expect fast respawns and the rules should apply to us all. _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
