Yeah these are some good points. Dedicated players won't really mind doing this. Another thing is that if you run 24/7 map servers (Like we do) we rotate less often, which is every 3 hours just to keep things running decently. I think if you have a well established community the advertisements from Pinion could still work. We get a lot of Quickplay traffic and have built our regulars from Quickplay almost entirely. Most are just passer-bys but we've gotten some great members from it.
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM, BOOM! Gaming Support < [email protected]> wrote: > After running Valve game servers for 8 years and NEVER receiving enough > donations to cover all my expenses, I started using Pinion 3 months ago. > The ads now allow me to break even and save the $150.00/mo I've always paid > out of pocket. **** > > ** ** > > When I saw that Pinion wanted to raise the minimum ad viewing time for > players, I initially responded as many of you are and said "That does it! I > knew it wouldn't last". But this feeling ended up being very premature. The > first thing I did was to announce to our community that this change was > coming and that I needed their support to make it successful. I explained > to them that by viewing 15 seconds of ads every time the map rotated (in > essence about once about every 30-45 mins), they were in effect supporting > their servers and their community in the form of a donation that they could > otherwise not afford. In return, I did not receive a single negative > response from anyone, in fact, the support and understanding of this was > terrific. Many people actually told me that had they known a longer view of > the ads draws more money for support, they would have viewed the entire ad > to help even more, every time it's played. So in esssence, by putting ads > on my servers, I was actually giving players a way to donate where they > never could afford it before, I love that.**** > > ** ** > > I decided to give it a try and thankfully my servers have remained full > just as they always have been. So asking people to view a 15-second ad is > not big deal to your faithful players, especially if it helps relieve the > finanical strain many of us burdon alone. **** > > ** ** > > Transient (Quickplay and the like) gamers have always been notoriously > disloyal to servers. Would-be complainers aren't really important to me > because they never do shit to help the community anyway, they just suck off > the community and expect everything to be paid for by the money and sweat > of other people like all of you Admins. So if they leave, who cares.**** > > ** ** > > Just my two cents,**** > > Mike Vail**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Essay Tew Phaun > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 19, 2012 2:58 PM > *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > *Subject:* Re: [hlds] TF2 MOTD Browser**** > > ** ** > > Yeah we had to drop Pinion with the recent changes. If you don't force > your players to watch 85% of the ads you can bet your last dollar that they > won't elect to watch them. I doubt many communities are going to meet that > 60% requirement and won't be purchased at all. Would really suck to show > ads and not even make a nickel off of it. Glad I bailed.**** > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:55 PM, ics <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > Been running servers 7+ years without getting paid for anything. Doing > just fine without adds and donations too. > > To David: I'm perfectly calm. The message was supposed to cause a bit > discussion as i was sure some will bite on it. But it's the same for me > what others do and run on their servers. It was just a friendly warning > that adds will cause players to leave if they are too noisy. > > -ics > > 20.12.2012 0:36, Essay Tew Phaun kirjoitti:**** > > Then expect to not get paid anything. Pick your poison.**** > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:35 PM, AeroliteGaming.com < > [email protected]> wrote:**** > > I am using Pinion but there is no way in hell I'll be using their plugin > to do that. **** > > > > On 19/12/2012 22:34, [BT]Black V wrote:**** > > Agreed**** > > ** ** > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM, ics <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > Go ahead and put that advertisement crap running and see how your players > flee to servers that do not force that thing to players screen. Leaves more > players for the rest of us running servers. > > -ics > > 20.12.2012 0:04, David Unreal kirjoitti:**** > > Yeah I noticed that sometime it just takes a few sec to load. However, in > terms of pinion ads, there will be a new system for them enforced that may > cause server owners to force you to want the whole ad. The idea is that > they will only pay for ads that have been completely watched. Anyways, what > is the URL you are trying to McKay? Maybe its an error with the page?**** > > On Dec 19, 2012 4:59 PM, "byteframe" <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > I might add that sometimes if you wait (several) seconds, it _might_ > appear. I tend to click as fast as I can so as not to see the pinion ads. > Client side issue for sure, though.**** > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Essay Tew Phaun <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Incredibly annoying. 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