I don't know what kind of advertising companies would enforce such harsh requirements, this seems like a last attempt to keep pinion online to be honest, but it doesn't seem that pinion has control of the situation.
When TV shows go to commercials, we change the channel, when radio stations play commercials, we change the station. There's no way to enforce a 60% on those, so why do it with gaming, oh right, because you can control this industry with server-side plugins. With no offense to pinion, running a medium sized community this isn't going to fly, like Tew Phaun said, dedicated players won't mind, as they know it supports the community, but users joining from quickplay, which is 60-80% of our traffic are going to bail. Even twitch.tv which has grown immensely can't support a rate of advertising like this, too many users running adblock. While I support pinion and think what they've done is great, this is going to make the giants even larger, and it's going to kick the smaller community down. Seems like whatever advertising company pinion is operating through is really sticking the dick to them, and it's quite shameful. ----- Original Message ----- From: Essay Tew Phaun To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 MOTD Browser Yeah these are some good points. Dedicated players won't really mind doing this. Another thing is that if you run 24/7 map servers (Like we do) we rotate less often, which is every 3 hours just to keep things running decently. I think if you have a well established community the advertisements from Pinion could still work. We get a lot of Quickplay traffic and have built our regulars from Quickplay almost entirely. Most are just passer-bys but we've gotten some great members from it. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:24 PM, BOOM! Gaming Support <[email protected]> wrote: After running Valve game servers for 8 years and NEVER receiving enough donations to cover all my expenses, I started using Pinion 3 months ago. The ads now allow me to break even and save the $150.00/mo I've always paid out of pocket. When I saw that Pinion wanted to raise the minimum ad viewing time for players, I initially responded as many of you are and said "That does it! I knew it wouldn't last". But this feeling ended up being very premature. The first thing I did was to announce to our community that this change was coming and that I needed their support to make it successful. I explained to them that by viewing 15 seconds of ads every time the map rotated (in essence about once about every 30-45 mins), they were in effect supporting their servers and their community in the form of a donation that they could otherwise not afford. In return, I did not receive a single negative response from anyone, in fact, the support and understanding of this was terrific. Many people actually told me that had they known a longer view of the ads draws more money for support, they would have viewed the entire ad to help even more, every time it's played. So in esssence, by putting ads on my servers, I was actually giving players a way to donate where they never could afford it before, I love that. I decided to give it a try and thankfully my servers have remained full just as they always have been. So asking people to view a 15-second ad is not big deal to your faithful players, especially if it helps relieve the finanical strain many of us burdon alone. Transient (Quickplay and the like) gamers have always been notoriously disloyal to servers. Would-be complainers aren't really important to me because they never do shit to help the community anyway, they just suck off the community and expect everything to be paid for by the money and sweat of other people like all of you Admins. So if they leave, who cares. Just my two cents, Mike Vail From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Essay Tew Phaun Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 2:58 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 MOTD Browser Yeah we had to drop Pinion with the recent changes. If you don't force your players to watch 85% of the ads you can bet your last dollar that they won't elect to watch them. I doubt many communities are going to meet that 60% requirement and won't be purchased at all. Would really suck to show ads and not even make a nickel off of it. Glad I bailed. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:55 PM, ics <[email protected]> wrote: Been running servers 7+ years without getting paid for anything. Doing just fine without adds and donations too. To David: I'm perfectly calm. The message was supposed to cause a bit discussion as i was sure some will bite on it. But it's the same for me what others do and run on their servers. It was just a friendly warning that adds will cause players to leave if they are too noisy. -ics 20.12.2012 0:36, Essay Tew Phaun kirjoitti: Then expect to not get paid anything. Pick your poison. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:35 PM, AeroliteGaming.com <[email protected]> wrote: I am using Pinion but there is no way in hell I'll be using their plugin to do that. On 19/12/2012 22:34, [BT]Black V wrote: Agreed On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 11:25 AM, ics <[email protected]> wrote: Go ahead and put that advertisement crap running and see how your players flee to servers that do not force that thing to players screen. Leaves more players for the rest of us running servers. -ics 20.12.2012 0:04, David Unreal kirjoitti: Yeah I noticed that sometime it just takes a few sec to load. However, in terms of pinion ads, there will be a new system for them enforced that may cause server owners to force you to want the whole ad. The idea is that they will only pay for ads that have been completely watched. Anyways, what is the URL you are trying to McKay? Maybe its an error with the page? On Dec 19, 2012 4:59 PM, "byteframe" <[email protected]> wrote: I might add that sometimes if you wait (several) seconds, it _might_ appear. I tend to click as fast as I can so as not to see the pinion ads. Client side issue for sure, though. On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Essay Tew Phaun <[email protected]> wrote: Incredibly annoying. 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