I realize on the tin how ridiculous it sounds; the notion that a server would get delisted for such a thing. I'm still wary of it, however. Valve have been known to sometimes do things that don't make sense and will we be sure to have a say or voice in the matter if and when we were to find our servers delisted? By that time we got a response, the damage may have already been done.
I'd just like a brief response from Valve on whether they consider this abuse of the QP system or not. I do not want some random players to F7 our server and we find our servers delisted. Thanks once again, Chad On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:35 PM, E. Olsen <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah - "seeding servers" by having people join and play a round or two (or > even go AFK for a bit) has been around as long as TF2 (and much longer than > quickplay). The fact is, no one likes to join an empty server, and unless > you;'re lucky enough to be full 24/7 (which these days, only vanilla server > generally are), then your servers will need to get "started" each day by > players willing to jump on until other players join. > > Again, that's something that has been around long before quickplay was > even conceived, so I don't think people can point and say "they're trying > to game the system" just because they're idling. Whose to say they''re not > trying to get item drops? > > Even worse - if the simple act of having "spectators" was going to be some > kind of infraction, then the more nefarious folks would start "targeting" > other communities/servers with spectators, and how ridiculous would that be? > > If valve was actually concerned about that, the easy fix would be to only > count players that are "active" in the server (i.e. have scored points, > etc.), but I think that would be more trouble than it's worth to implement. > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Nomaan Ahmad <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I don't think your servers will be delisted for having real players >> sitting in spec. >> >> On 22 May 2013 03:51, Chad Cummings <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It was brought to my attention by one of our community members the >>> following post from back in March: >>> >>> "SkepticalGaming has been using idles to gain quickplay score and >>> thus...players. Not just any idles. Idles using idle scripts. We have seen >>> the players who joined the server at the same time and we have a full list >>> of IP and Steam ID. All the "players" that were used to pouplate only had >>> one game and were not premium accounts. We also have many screen shots of >>> such fake clients." >>> >>> First I will say that I am not affiliated with or associated with >>> Skeptical Gaming in any way. But this does concern me, because our >>> community does something similar and I do not want us targeted for similar >>> behavior. During the day we have some of our what we call "seeders" hop on >>> our servers and idle in spectator for the day, since they're off to work or >>> school, this helps give us a boost in the QP pool when our other community >>> members who can actively play join the server. >>> >>> First I'll clarify that: >>> >>> We are not modifying any data streams. >>> These are normal TF2 accounts of community members. >>> We're not using some fake clients that pose as bots. >>> We play on the servers as well, we don't just sit idle specs on them all >>> day and hope that they fill up. >>> >>> As far as I've read, as long as we're not modifying the data streams or >>> tricking the steam servers, we're in the clear, but this post above still >>> concerns me. Can and will Valve seriously punish a server for having >>> spectators? A lot of communities have what they refer to as their >>> population teams or seeder groups who aim to help get their servers full. I >>> am wanting some clarifications here. I do not want to wake up and find our >>> servers delisted. >>> >>> TLDR: Can your servers be delisted for having several spectators sit to >>> help with seeding. >>> >>> Thanks for your time, >>> Chad >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >
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