Running purely on donations used to be a good choice when Valve didn't disable attachable items for server owners. Most of the people here supporting more restrictions aren't even talking about TF2, they are talking about CSS.
In CSS, there is no quickplay problem and many communities sell items that aren't possible in TF2. The most popular CSS servers are zombiemod, and they all make most of their money selling pay-to-win perks. I'm not asking Valve to stop reloading ads every second in the background, but repeatedly removing features instead of fixing it properly is a horrible decision. As modders/server owners it feels like Valve doesn't care about us, as though we do not contribute to the popularity of the game, or as though we are not players ourselves and keenly aware of what is players like and what tradeoffs they would prefer. How many of you here bought TF2 thinking Valve was going to remove all these features and make it 100x harder for people to find non-stock maps and settings like nocrit and faster respawn? When TF2 was released, there was an implicit understanding that server owners would have a similar level of autonomy as in CSS/GMOD/HL2. This understanding is gone now which is why CS:GO has such a mediocre player base. On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Paul <ubyu....@gmail.com> wrote: > Donations are pretty much a thing of the past for the majority of > communities, unless you happen to run some premium (practically cheating) > in-game benefits model. The donation model was more than feasable back when > the game wasn't free to play and didn't have an in-game store to buy > virtual items with real money. These days it's not anywhere near as easy to > do, more so if most of your players are coming from Quickplay. > > Reality does unfortunately appear to be this: > - Valve doesn't care as long as their actions don't result in a > considerable drop in the popularity of the game which they modified > - Officials won't reply to topics such as this, mainly as they aren't > accountable to any of us and I expect they don't really care much of our > views anyway > - Valve will very likely ignore or will not co-operate with Pinion (or any > other related service) in changing how the recent MOTD changes were > implemented > > Reality sucks I know, but I'm pretty sure those three points are valid. We > could continue protesting or debating, I for one would like HTML MOTD's in > a limited form (e.g. to disable Flash and HTML5 audio/video for Quickplay > clients) to be the thing for Quickplay clients, but I doubt they'll change > their stance on this :x. > > > > > On 9 November 2013 18:01, Andre Müller <gbs.dead...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm more on valves side. The html-motd is confusing the quickjoin >> players. I'm not interested in big communities who get money with their >> motd (adverts, clicks). It's not my problem how they do pay their servers. >> I had long time a clan, which was paying itself the servers and without >> adverts and other annoying stuff. So, if a community can't deal with it, >> shut it down. There will come 10 new communities. Always the same shit, >> crying communities without money. Learn to collect money from your members >> to pay your infrastructure. >> >> >> 2013/11/9 Alteran Ancient <alteran_anci...@alteranlabs.co.uk> >> >>> This argument is fruitless... really. In more ways than one. >>> >>> After watching this go on for a day or two, I've come to a conclusion. >>> People that join the old-fashioned way, are joining these servers by choice >>> and therefore the server operators are more than entitled to show them >>> whatever they want on the MOTD. I am starting to agree with the principle >>> that those who enter through quick-join shouldn't be slurped-up by >>> overnight server behemoths for the purpose of gaining Ad impressions. Cut >>> out that means as a way to roll in the dosh and let players support their >>> servers through choice, not chance, and the groups abusing this system to >>> get cheap impressions on their MOTD are going to have less of an incentive >>> to do so. >>> >>> Petitions are normally pointless. Most people don't bother with them, >>> and most companies don't even listen to them, because they're not legally >>> obligated to do anything about them. I'll tell you what's even more >>> pointless, though. Bickering. Friendly and *constructive* debates are >>> helpful and get more done than petty arguing and trolling. Guys such as >>> ElitePowered and Dr. McKay have the right mindset in that arguing and >>> fighting on a *mailing list* is pointless. 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