I run many servers, I refer to one cause well I’m only logging my client into one not all of them. I do go into my server(S) with one of my clients just to play also but sometimes I’d just rather use Computer A vs Computer B to log another client in –textmode (which again doesn’t or hasn’t never hurt anything) just to listen to the sounds and mic usage while looking at the console commands vs remote desktop into the server to view it. Plus as I said it adds a client/player into the count which helps seed…. One is a start much better than an empty server to start with.
I’m not loading up a bunch of “Seeders” they are not fake they are REAL CLIENTS – I own the client – I’ve purchased many things with it – it is legit. This has nothing to do with fake clients. Thing is there are no negatives to this nothing viable that I can find anyway nothing that I’ve ever used them more. I may be a lone one on this list that objects to it but hey its something I enjoyed using which was perfectly legit. I do spend a ton of time on my servers – so don’t sit there and lecture me on what you don’t know or have any idea of. I don’t even know why I’m replying lol it’s pointless as I said not even Valve is replying to a reason for this change. Consider this my last reply on the issue since its clear it won’t be changed back. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Loveless Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 2:31 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released What are you trying to hear exactly? You have no interest in being in your own server to populate but wanna listen to what players are saying? Once a server achieves enough players to even warrant listening in on conversations, what is the purpose of these extra clients to seed the server? You've constantly repeated the word server so it's safe to assume you're only running one, as it doesn't seem likely you would want to even try deciphering the jibberish you would hear while listening in on multiple servers at once. I think this is one of problems Valve is looking to resolve. You load the server up with a bunch of "seeder" clients, players join your server thinking it's populated, players waste time while learning no one is actually there, now there is another player (potentially new to the game with all these recent updates) who thinks all community servers are shit then end up on Valve's servers anyway. Sure it's really hard to organically grow a community especially in a game where there is already server over-saturation as well as long-term established communities but it's clear as day that the negatives outweigh the positives when it comes to textmode and you're here arguing an almost irrelevant point about presumably listening to player voice chat while populating the server with afk clients. If you spent more time in your servers interacting with people growing your community you would hear all necessary voice chat, see all necessary console spew, and not need to habitually trick people. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:53 PM, HD <[email protected]> wrote: By the sounds o fit the benefits are just benefits and nothing to do with any type of abuse. You still own a REAL client if you log it in either regular graphical or textmode. HLSW is unsupported and needs to be updated so bad it isn’t even funny but yes I already use it for chat logging. I log a client into a server – it shows my client in and along with other players some of which are also AFK to be in the server which doesn’t hurt anything and helps “seeding” it to grow… I mainly use it for LISTENING to what is going on in the server since logging audio takes way too much bandwidth, need to hear things in real time as they are happening and so on. There is no other simple alternative than launching the game in –textmode and just listening. What I can’t figure out here is why this is so hard to comprehend vs everyone trying to figure out bad things from it when there really aren’t any that I’ve ever seen or used. If you know of a plugin that does the exact same thing as what I used –textmode for, listening LIVE in real time to what is going on with ALL sounds in the game while also allowing me to log my client into the game to help seed my server then by all means I’m ready to listen/read all about it. As I figured though not a single response from valve once again on this topic. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cody Mathisen Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:10 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released By the sounds of it the abuse that has come up heavily outweigh any benefits of -textmode. I'm not sure exactly what information you are 'seeding' but I'm sure there are multiple addons/plugins/tools to help you accomplish something similar. If it is just chat, you could simply download HLSW <http://www.hlsw.org/> and tune in with RCON. If you wanted to log chat to a database or do something more extensive, this could be accomplished using sourcemod plugins. I'm sure you could find some kind of plugin out there to help accomplish whatever you are looking for. There are thousands of plugins out there... On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:00 PM HD <[email protected]> wrote: Regardless I used -textmode for specific reasons not to abuse any type of system. I disagree with this change and as I said I don't expect Valve to reply to any of these complaints as they haven't others in the past. I guess I'll have to launch the client regularly - alt tab it down and leave it like that to help seed and listen to whats being said when I'm not in there. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ics Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 11:26 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released You may have used it for one client but the truth is, this guy earlier who posted used it to ten, even more clients. Also i think someone already has a script that can be ran in textmode that autoaccepts the items that drop. So no more manual accept and idling can continue. I'm not 100% sure about this, i just heard about it few months back. Play the game, run the servers, don't mix clients and players. Thanks. -ics HD kirjoitti: > > I used it to log ONE client in so I could seed with it and hear what > was going on in the server. Additionally it was nice to see on my > screen at home what was going on thru the console too vs remote > desktop into the server. I can't speak for everyone else but even > still a REAL CLIENT is a real client.not Fake player counts. > Regardless of how many you log in if they are REAL clients which they > were then I don't see the issue with that at all. That is much > different then coding in fake clients showing up or fake numbers for > server population. > > Either way this is just stupid and pointless to argue since we won't > hear a damn word from Valve on this or anything else when it comes to > Servers with this game. I'm kinda sick of it and damn near ready to > say the hell with it all and their games. > > *From:*[email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Kyle > Sanderson > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:04 AM > *To:* Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released > > Just so we're clear, you guys were only using this to fake player > counts on your servers? Where's the negative impact here? This sounds > like a much needed change to prevent scumbaggery. > > Kyle. > > On 13 Oct 2015 6:14 a.m., "N-Gon" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Back when I ran servers I used to use Sandboxie and a bunch of > accounts in textmode to help populate my servers. > > It's a struggle when you don't have a well known community, I feel bad > for the folks who've just been hurt by this change. > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:45 AM, HD <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Yea I saw it last night... this is beyond a wasteful change. I use it > for a client so I can listen in a server without using a bunch of > resources. > Why was this change made and what alternative do you have besides > launching the game in full and alt tabbing now. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Rudy > Bleeker > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 3:02 AM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released > > From the client patch notes from October 12, 2015: > > - Running in textmode now places the client in insecure mode > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:50 AM, HD <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Anyone else having issues now using a client into their servers > > using -textmode for launch options? I log in an account this way > > every so often to "listen" in the server while reading chat but for > > some reason now I get the "You are in insecure mode. You must > > restart before you can connect to secure servers.". > > > > I've not changed nothing - not a single thing and it just started > > after last nights update came out. I've reinstalled TF2 on that > > computer but nothing has changed. > > I'm convinced something got messed up from this update as I tried it > > on another computer and it did the exact same thing. > > > > Anyone able to explain this? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Eric Smith > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 5:52 PM > > To: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>; > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Subject: [hlds] Optional TF2 update released > > > > We've released an optional update for TF2 that updates the Invasion > > Community Update Coin to also count assists. This is an optional > > dedicated server update and is not required unless you are running > > any of the Invasion maps and would like to support this new feature. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -Eric > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > -- > Idleness is not doing nothing. 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