> Because you can catch more flies with honey then vinegar.

So you really think that anything will change if we lie and say:

Gee thanks Valve. You are doing a great job of making up for
single-handedly trashing community servers almost 2 years ago and doing
nothing to make up for it. With all these community updates made from skins
made by the community, we should be licking your boots that you didn't make
them official server only.

We were nice before, and this is where it has gotten us. Now everyone needs
to know that they should stay away from Valve. Whether it be running a
community, making a website, or hosting their games as a GSP. You will
probably be screwed in the future as soon as it is convenient for them. You
should have second thoughts about even publishing a game on Steam.

> Has it possibly crossed your mind that the opinion you felt that it was a
good idea was in the minority?

Has it possibly crossed your mind that this is how CS:GO works? And there
aren't any riots complaining about it.

Whatever Valve does, someone is going to complain, and they need to put
their foot down. They have sided too much with people that are too stupid
to even type "valve" in the tag box..

When we bought TF2, no one expected community servers to be put in a ghetto
like COD and being forced to play on thousands of hack/grief infested
official servers. The TF team has betrayed us, and we will keep complaining
and driving other server owners away until they change their ways, if ever.



On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Phillip Vector <[email protected]>
wrote:

> >Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, they
> do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in just a
> few days.
>
> Has it possibly crossed your mind that the opinion you felt that it was a
> good idea was in the minority?
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Rowedahelicon <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, they
>> do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in just a
>> few days.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Phillip Vector <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have been
>>> made were between bad for communities or bad for communities?
>>>
>>> Because you can catch more flies with honey then vinegar.
>>>
>>> >The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers from
>>> the browser, was reversed in a matter of days.
>>>
>>> Speaking as someone who emailed them to complain about them being
>>> removed, I'm glad they are back. I like using the browser to find ALL
>>> servers.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's because Valve hasn't made a choice that benefited server owners
>>>> over official ones.
>>>>
>>>> Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have been
>>>> made were between bad for communities or bad for communities?
>>>>
>>>> The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers from
>>>> the browser, was reversed in a matter of days.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Daniel Barreiro <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why would they help people who always seem to be unappreciative cunts
>>>>> no matter what choice is made?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:16 PM, HD <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I was hoping to see something along the lines of "Changed lots of
>>>>>> things to help out the community" but apparently that was all wishful
>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Smith
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:09 PM
>>>>>> To: [email protected]; [email protected];
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>> Subject: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The update notes are
>>>>>> below. The
>>>>>> new version is 3065162.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Fixed corrupt textures that were appearing for some players
>>>>>> - Fixed crashes that were occurring for some players with 3GB or less
>>>>>> of RAM
>>>>>> - Temporarily removed texture memory optimizations for players on
>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>> Integrated GPUs
>>>>>> - Fixed a client crash related to the backpack
>>>>>> - Fixed a bug where mini-crits were overriding full crits
>>>>>> - Fixed "Sort by Date" sorting in the wrong order in the backpack
>>>>>> (design is
>>>>>> to sort with newest items in the front)
>>>>>> - Fixed the Invasion Unusual effect "Subatomic" being off-center
>>>>>> - Fixed not being able to put cosmetic items from the Gargoyle
>>>>>> Collection
>>>>>> onto the Steam Community Market
>>>>>> - Fixed missing kill icons for the Invasion weapons
>>>>>> - Fixed the "Win a Bumper Kart minigame" Merasmission objective not
>>>>>> triggering in the event of a team wipe
>>>>>> - Added a "Batman" tag for Workshop submissions for the Arkham Knight
>>>>>> Contest
>>>>>> - Fixed missing Quickplay images for Mannpower maps Gorge and Thunder
>>>>>> Mountain
>>>>>> - Updated PASS Time to fix not seeing the Halloween version of the
>>>>>> Jack
>>>>>> while it's being carried by a player
>>>>>> - Updated The Infernal Impaler, Courtier's Collar, Iron Lung, and The
>>>>>> Bearded Bombardier
>>>>>>
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