I was going to bring that up Paulson, at least the bit about money. I'm
sure a lot of us have invested a lot of time and money into TF2, if not for
us but also for Valve. I'd say we're a little more entitled to hear more
than just "we're working on it" and not hear anything for years.



On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]>
wrote:

> > Because you can catch more flies with honey then vinegar.
>
> So you really think that anything will change if we lie and say:
>
> Gee thanks Valve. You are doing a great job of making up for
> single-handedly trashing community servers almost 2 years ago and doing
> nothing to make up for it. With all these community updates made from
> skins made by the community, we should be licking your boots that you
> didn't make them official server only.
>
> We were nice before, and this is where it has gotten us. Now everyone
> needs to know that they should stay away from Valve. Whether it be running
> a community, making a website, or hosting their games as a GSP. You will
> probably be screwed in the future as soon as it is convenient for them. You
> should have second thoughts about even publishing a game on Steam.
>
> > Has it possibly crossed your mind that the opinion you felt that it was
> a good idea was in the minority?
>
> Has it possibly crossed your mind that this is how CS:GO works? And there
> aren't any riots complaining about it.
>
> Whatever Valve does, someone is going to complain, and they need to put
> their foot down. They have sided too much with people that are too stupid
> to even type "valve" in the tag box..
>
> When we bought TF2, no one expected community servers to be put in a
> ghetto like COD and being forced to play on thousands of hack/grief
> infested official servers. The TF team has betrayed us, and we will keep
> complaining and driving other server owners away until they change their
> ways, if ever.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Phillip Vector <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> >Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year,
>> they do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in just
>> a few days.
>>
>> Has it possibly crossed your mind that the opinion you felt that it was a
>> good idea was in the minority?
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Rowedahelicon <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Point there is we have been complaining about this for over a year, they
>>> do something to fix it, you guys complain and it gets reversed in just a
>>> few days.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Phillip Vector <[email protected]
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> >Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have been
>>>> made were between bad for communities or bad for communities?
>>>>
>>>> Because you can catch more flies with honey then vinegar.
>>>>
>>>> >The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers from
>>>> the browser, was reversed in a matter of days.
>>>>
>>>> Speaking as someone who emailed them to complain about them being
>>>> removed, I'm glad they are back. I like using the browser to find ALL
>>>> servers.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Robert Paulson <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's because Valve hasn't made a choice that benefited server owners
>>>>> over official ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would anyone be appreciative when the only choices that have been
>>>>> made were between bad for communities or bad for communities?
>>>>>
>>>>> The last thing that might of qualified, removing official servers from
>>>>> the browser, was reversed in a matter of days.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Daniel Barreiro <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would they help people who always seem to be unappreciative cunts
>>>>>> no matter what choice is made?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:16 PM, HD <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I was hoping to see something along the lines of "Changed lots
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> things to help out the community" but apparently that was all wishful
>>>>>>> thinking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Smith
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 10:09 PM
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]; [email protected];
>>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>> Subject: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've released a mandatory update for TF2. The update notes are
>>>>>>> below. The
>>>>>>> new version is 3065162.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Fixed corrupt textures that were appearing for some players
>>>>>>> - Fixed crashes that were occurring for some players with 3GB or
>>>>>>> less of RAM
>>>>>>> - Temporarily removed texture memory optimizations for players on
>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>> Integrated GPUs
>>>>>>> - Fixed a client crash related to the backpack
>>>>>>> - Fixed a bug where mini-crits were overriding full crits
>>>>>>> - Fixed "Sort by Date" sorting in the wrong order in the backpack
>>>>>>> (design is
>>>>>>> to sort with newest items in the front)
>>>>>>> - Fixed the Invasion Unusual effect "Subatomic" being off-center
>>>>>>> - Fixed not being able to put cosmetic items from the Gargoyle
>>>>>>> Collection
>>>>>>> onto the Steam Community Market
>>>>>>> - Fixed missing kill icons for the Invasion weapons
>>>>>>> - Fixed the "Win a Bumper Kart minigame" Merasmission objective not
>>>>>>> triggering in the event of a team wipe
>>>>>>> - Added a "Batman" tag for Workshop submissions for the Arkham Knight
>>>>>>> Contest
>>>>>>> - Fixed missing Quickplay images for Mannpower maps Gorge and Thunder
>>>>>>> Mountain
>>>>>>> - Updated PASS Time to fix not seeing the Halloween version of the
>>>>>>> Jack
>>>>>>> while it's being carried by a player
>>>>>>> - Updated The Infernal Impaler, Courtier's Collar, Iron Lung, and The
>>>>>>> Bearded Bombardier
>>>>>>>
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