The best example I can give of PB to anyone not familiar is a virus
scanner... A group of volunteers take on the task of finding, checking,
and detecting the cheat in as quick of a fashion as possible.. Even
virus's that are slightly different get past virus scanners.. The
difference.. You don't pay for PB, there is no ad support, no income
coming for the effort.. People personally paying so you can have a
better game with them.. And because of this is there more of a delay to
remove the "virus" from gameplay...
I think PB has done the best job it could giving the obsticles in its
way...
-----Original Message-----
From: SQLBoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PB no more.....
Thats not the point. I'm just going on here-say here but I think each
individual cheat is coded into Punkbuster. I'm sure the program has a
couple different ways of finding out if a cheat is installed. Things
like checking for registry changes a cheat makes, looking for the
installation files, etc. Yes, its possible for the coders to find out
how PB is detecting them and make some changes, it happens everyday I'm
sure. Why give them the source though so they can update their cheat
5min after the release?
I understand what you are trying to say with your openSSH example, but I
don't agree. What makes a hacker a hacker is detailed knowledge of how
things work. There are always going to be bugs or exploits in weaker
software that could allow me to replace your SSH server binary with a
custom one of my own, and then gain access via SSH. I've seen it done
on customer machines running old Bind and FTP servers.
I believe in open source but since the game server and client code is
not open source, you will run into the same limitations PB did, and more
since all the cheaters will be studying your source code.
SQL
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 16:27, you wrote:
> that's wrong. that's like saying: knowing how openSSH works means you
> can circumvent it. the best secure software has always been open
> source software because of the amounts of eyes that review it.
>
> besides, the source is just a tool. you don't NEED the source to find
> out how something works. i really believe that a smart open source
> based team can do just as good of a job, and not be such control
> freaks about it.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "SQLBoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: PB no more.....
>
> > It makes no sense to go open source. Since PB was basically
> > reacting to cheats, if cheat coders had the source, they would know
> > exactly how to circumvent the software.
> >
> > On Tuesday 25 September 2001 15:27, you wrote:
> > > > There has never been a chance that a "one man army" can get rid
> > > > of cheats that hundreds of cheatcoders work on. Maybe it's time
> > > > for some open source project ...
> > > >
> > > > I personally do NOT miss punkbuster at all.
> > >
> > > LMAO...it's been funny to watch the dark-eyed penguin pushers try
> > > to
>
> wrap
>
> > > their minds around the PB team not going public with their source.
> > > And it's been frustrating to watch them get all pissy about it,
> > > not because
>
> it
>
> > > doesn't work, but because it's not open source. If it's not
> > > opensource, then fsck you! It's a pretty dense way to live, to
> > > cut off your nose to spite your face. But, regardless, I guess
> > > none of you actually develop software professionally...
> > >
> > > Eric (the Deacon remix)
> > > http://www.firekite.com
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Ketchup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 11:58 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: PB no more.....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Sysop,
> > > >
> > > > Tuesday, September 25, 2001, 6:29:01 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > So what are the chances of getting an official comment by
> > > > > valve on
>
> why
>
> > > > > PB and Valve couldn't work together on a integrated solution?
> > > > > PB
>
> has
>
> > > > > pulled the plug on HL/CS because of (they say) lack of
> > > > > participation
>
> by
>
> > > > > Valve. I would like to hear Valve's side of the story, as to
> > > > > why we are loosing something that could have REALLY improved
> > > > > the quality of the game...
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Peter aka Ketchup
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > http://www.pommesbude.org
