on the contrary, I would imagine they label any release as beta if it is
released seperately between major releases, which, amazingly, wait for it,
makes sense.  I have been using the latest beta servers since they were
released, and have not had a single issue.  There IS a difference between
beta, and UNstable

I dont understand the attitudes over meaningless, petty stuff on this list.
Valve is getting the job done, and doing everything within reason to take
care of issues as they come up.  It is not like they can pull everything out
of their hats on the drop of a dime.

this, unfortunately is the way it is.  I dont see any reason to get so
worked up over this crap.  It only raises your bloodpressure a couple
notches, and in the end is meaningless.

lets get a grip guys. for example, the vegas issue with people dissapearing
in certain places due to map flaws.   As someone who knows what they are
talking about, this is NOT something that valve can likely fix at the drop
of the hat.  More likely, it is something that would be needed to be fixed
within the map itself.  If so, then a fix would only be able to be
distributed with a new release, and that if its easily fixable, which, going
on my experience with bsp flaws, probably isnt.  Therefor, it probably isn't
worth it for valve to put a lot of effort into possibly reworking a lot of a
map that is hardly even played relatively speaking.   And hey, I enjoy
vegas, but still, its not worth getting worked up about.  If they can fix
it, im sure they will, within reason.  They have indicated they are aware of
the issue, and as far as Im concerned, thats enough.

I think that valve has gone above and beyond over the years.  Sure, it was
in their best interest, but its still way more than 98% of what other game
developers have ever bothered to do, best interest or not.

</soapbox>

kev

->-----Original Message-----
->From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Capriotti
->Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:15 AM
->To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
->Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] New Security Modules -November 21
->
->
->Eh...
->
->New world, new culture, new jargon, uh ?
->
->Anyway, stable sounds SO MUCH BETTER, doesn't it ?
->
->"What server are you running ?", "Oh, I am running the latest BETA."
->
->while
->
->"What server are you running ?", "Oh, I am running the latest STABLE."
->
->Ok. That's marketing. But - IRL - confuses us a little bit.
->
->
->At 08:01 AM 11/22/2002, you wrote:
->>In HLDS parlance, beta == the version you're expected to run if
->you want it
->>to work properly. I'm not sure why they don't just eventually upgrade its
->>status to 'stable', but usually the actual latest 'stable'
->version that you
->>_need_ to run is still termed a beta.
->>
->>-- trog
->
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