Ok Ray,, truce,, maybe we did get under each others skin.....
Like I said, I am not going to act like I am competition for you. I just subscribe to this mailing list and the CoD list to keep an eye on what is up with the Linux dedicated. And I run mine for fun. Running a server on the sub T1 does make one have to pay attention to what the server settings are to get the most out of it and make it playable and fun for the players.
I don't recall seeing anything on the signup sheet for this list that a person had to be pulling 100G a year off their servers to be a member......
as I should have ended it already,, end of conversation......
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Spaulding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:31 AM Subject: RE: [SPAM] [hlds_linux] League/TWL server settings
I would love you help you but as I said we're more interested in providing high-end settings so I'm not the person to ask about 'lowest' settings. On a guess...sv_maxrate 3500. I'm sure you'll find someone here that's used to tuning for 'sub-T1' lines that could help you. The part of your post I found humorous was "I only passed this on to you guys because I felt that most serious holster's wouldn't appreciate them messing with your server settings. I highly doubt most of you guys run anything over 10000 for CSS." You give a conflict of interest in that statement which is what I commented on. My comment was geared toward the "most serious hosters.." We're about as serious as they come, and we encourage our clients to use what their server will provide. Which is what the league settings are for. When your host is worth more than a 'sub-T1' line you BETTER be able to turn your speeds up or you need to find another host. League settings should peg the settings so each client can get the best the server can give and not rely on 'saver' tweaks that may have been done by it's admin. I've personally pegged our lines at 50Mb/sec moving files from one center to another so I can vouch that we have those lines and we can use them. My comment was not to knock you so much or your interests but to get you to realize that a 'serious hoster' can run out of CPU long before we run out of bandwidth on our boxes. For your own sanity I'll direct you to the network map of two of our centers www.nac.net/networkmap.asp www.theplanet.com/datacenter.html Realized that any 'serious hoster' will find the best pipes they can when their intentions are to provide the best services and not just fund their own personal vacations. Our concern in this list is getting the developers of the games to fix the glitches in their games so when we run servers for our clients (Valve's customers) we can give them the high performances and stability they expect from a 'serious hoster'. When we can't assign IPs to a client's server or control the money system or explain to them why speedhackers are running around there servers or guys turning invisible or any of the SLEW of current issues we face happens to our clients....I come here and say "hey Valve...wtf!?"
A serious company wants his clients to be happy and will do whatever it takes to give them all that they can and not ignore their concerns, ignore their questions, blow off their issues, or fry their servers when they're not looking. **cough cough ..VALVE.. cough cough** My intentions were to show you the world of the 'serious hoster' and not assume that every little fly-by-night host you see crawling the net like bugs are a member of the 'serious hoster' circle.
Ray S.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kennycom Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SPAM] [hlds_linux] League/TWL server settings
OW,, oh OWW..LOL Yea,, ok, well , maybe I am livening in the dark ages,, from running SoF2 most of the hosters I saw back then tended to not let the client mess with such settings. I don't want to come across like I am in competition with you or anything, goody for you if you have the pipes fat enough to let things run wide open... Maybe you don't give a shit about what the clients do to your servers, others might... My hosting is done for fun and I don't get paid squat for it, and if my settings are shitty then why is the server full all the time??? My hosting a public server is a way to put the server to use when I am not using it at local LAN party's, in which case I DO turn things up, as the box is gigabit, and I provide the gigabit backbone at the local LAN party's..
end of conversation...
Actually no,, Ray, what do YOU think is the lowest a person can run their maxrate at and not have it affect the game? When does the upper limit become a waste of bandwidth? Are you saying that each of your box's has enough bandwidth that you could run them all at 20000 and load the player count till the cpu explodes and not run out of bandwidth? If so then You da man.....you da man.....
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Spaulding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:54 PM Subject: RE: [SPAM] [hlds_linux] League/TWL server settings
FYI...we run all our server wide open. Anything less and we'd be a shitty provider that everybody bitches about. We give them full control of their mod folder and we don't care what they run them at. I've went into client's folders and turned their settings up for the ones that don't know how. You having that concern is what makes them leave your type of hosting and look for hosts like us. So by all means, keep limiting them. ;)
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kennycom Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SPAM] [hlds_linux] League/TWL server settings
Ray,
That was a BS reply. I am running a small server on a sub T1 line, but have no intentions of running a "League" match on it. I only passed this on to you guys because I felt that most serious holster's wouldn't appreciate them messing with your server settings. I highly doubt most of you guys run anything over 10000 for CSS.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Spaulding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:24 AM Subject: RE: [SPAM] [hlds_linux] League/TWL server settings
Most likey he's trying to run a league server on his momma's bandwidth. *which btw would make your server ineligible for play as per all league rules that specifically require T1 or better connections*
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