Aggressive and unfriendly yes, absolutely. Why would I be kind to an
admitted cheater?
I despise cheaters. They ruin multiplayer games, period.
And I find an admin that sets sv_cheats 0, turns on vac or vacbeta, and uses
a known cheat to bypass it, despicable.
If he or anyone else wants to consider that flaming or take offense to my
tone...I quite frankly don't care.
Dagok
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ondřej Hošek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VAC2 actually detecting & banning?
You, fortunately, weren't vulgar, you were only a bit aggressive. You
were defending your opinion, and I don't find that inherently bad, but
you still seemed to have an unfriendly undertone.
"Their game, their code, their choice".
This is true, but that doesn't mean I can't ask why they have done so.
"Maybe Alfred will answer your question and maybe he won't, and quite
frankly "He" doesn't have to just because you say so."
True again, but it's considered polite behaviour. As I said, if there
isn't a reason for making this variable a cheat, then it should be reset
back to non-cheat, because I heard people talking about performance
improvements if it's set to 0.
~~ Ondra
Dagok wrote:
Vulgarisms? When was I vulgar? The worst I said was "scum"...oh heavens
no, I said scum, I used a horrible word!!!
Like seriously, grow up and get over it. I presented my opinion of his
abuse of a cheat on his own "cheat protected server".
Don't like it? Too bad. That's what happens when you post in a public
forum.
r_3dsky is listed as a cheat cvar by Valve, in this case they are god.
Their game, their code, their choice.
I don't recall why they chose to make it a cheat, and honestly I dont
care
since it has no effect on me. They made the change intentionally though,
because it was made a cheat after the release of CSS, probably due to
some
sort of abuse that cheaters/hackers discovered.
Maybe Alfred will answer your question and maybe he won't, and quite
frankly
"He" doesn't have to just because you say so.
Dagok
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ondřej Hošek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] VAC2 actually detecting & banning?
Okay.
I have looked through the message history of this mailing list.
Now, I would like to ask a question. Anybody who starts flaming me will
be classified as a lesser life form (and I will casually reply with an
FU), since I don't need your "you are an idiot/cheater scum/...", I
would like to have _real_ answers. Just because "God" classified
r_doohickey as a cheat and somebody got impaled on it by making some
fixes doesn't mean you have to start a Hitler-like attack against them
if they come in and want to clarify under which circumstances it
happened. Just because there is a line somewhere in the license
agreement stating that "we don't unban whiners" doesn't mean you have to
take your flamethrowers and send vulgarisms all over the place. I
wouldn't personally classify Vapor as a whiner.
Now, after my rant about the pointlessness of such flames, to my
question:
How The Hell Can Somebody Misuse A Change Of r_3dsky So That It Became
Classified As A Cheat?
Now I don't want things like this:
(Quote Clayton Macleod):
heh, doofus
valve says it's a cheat, so eat it.
As I said, if "God" can't supply a valid reason to this question, then
"He" should make the variable a non-cheat.
Honestly, "Yadda yadda Valve yadda yadda cheat yadda yadda FU." is a
pretty useless answer. I can't say I like this, but I don't want to
start a flame war, so in case somebody attacks me (for example the
infamous C. Macleod), he really has to be of limited brains. If you
don't know when to stop, you're not far from becoming a fanatic.
Oh, and don't make Valve sound like they're a deity. They are only an
assortment of humans, just like this mailing list.
~~ Ondra
P.S. I know that using a program to freeze r_3dsky to 0 is a cheat. But
it's Valve's job to go against the cheaters. You can support Valve, but
the punishing part is to be left to the ones in charge. If you disagree
with them, don't play their games.
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