i think somebody has to explain folks around here whats the purpose and the general topic of THIS mailing list^^
maybe our situation can hardly be compared with the one the call of duty 2 players have, on release of the game punkbuster was not delivered with, so the community around this game tried to work together and closed their gameservers on the same day to push activision for releasing an anti cheat tool anyway but maybe this is only one small part of the way we should go together i can't stand all this discussion about if vac2 is working or not sure it works, and yes vac2 did bann a lot of people but folks wake up please!!! this crap (sorry) of cheat coders know for sure the same about the way how it is working and detecting, like the guys from valve do it this guys know what to do and where to do it, they are earning money by selling their professional handmade cheats day by day and some of them dropped school already cause they earn more with selling league suited hacks than their parents do together sounds crazy but sadly true the questions we should ask regarding this matter is: how is it possible that guys selling vac2 proofed cheats before it was released even before beta, not enough the same hack was giving folks the ability to play the preloaded content of dod:source before it was officially released as a side effect!!! not planned function same thing with ac tools like cheating death the code of this ac tool has been sold several times so no one worked continuously a longer time on it you can bet all what you have that there are proofed cheating death dissablers availible few hours BEFORE its getting its update of detections the funny thing is that this cheatcoders often include something like a "water mark" to their hack, not only this leaking functions like i discribed in my last mail here for e.g. one hack was including a one pixel wide black line on the right and the bottom side of ingame screenshots or the cheat coder even delivers an additional tool for his hack to make his water mark visible and to check if someone is using this but whats that all about if the engine is delivering enough possibilities that you dont need to download cheats the cl_interp/interpolate messy, that has been fixed (silently, without announcment) after a full bunch of threads in the valve forum had been postet over months so people had the possibility to turn the ingame time almost one second back and try to hit the opponent again (lets do the time warp agaiiiiiiin^^) whats all about this console commands that give you the possibility to have for e.g one kind of wallhack, postet and proofed in a lot of scene forums in the last weeks what was with this direct x level 7 "bug" where objects like wooden boxes were not showing till you got nearby, so you could see the opponent "through" this objects (happened when this xbox code or something like that was included with an update) whats about thes bugs in the last maps released? in this update announcments, they are telling, map ist just before release, its in the last testing phase and so on so on why are so many bugs within a "testet" map at puplishing day ok iam talking about known bugs, i know, but i think before we try to keep this thread about vac2 alive, and try to push or even force them to put more work on it, maybe showing it with more transparency to the community (sorry guys if you are tellin' me now that this is impossible, cause in this case you would help this crap (again sorry) of cheat coders with more transparency, no no no this crap (sorry, its the last time i am swearing, im honest), dont need more information about vac2, they already had what they needed at least when its got to beta status there are several ways to communicate with valve, to let them know what we are complaning about, but it is like twenty trains, every one of them has its own track but having the same destination runnin' side by side, not in one line i think the peole from valve honestly try their best, and are not sitting in front of their outrageous numbers of hl² awards in their personal and secretly kept hall of "flame" 2 miles below ground i also think that from region to region (europe, un. states, asia) the bugs and also the way of cheating differs, so valve has to overwatch a "wide array" a lot of these "problems" are one result of handling so many different systems, hardware, software installed on the personal setups everyone of us have i think an official webbased kind of bug report page, including databases/archieves, sortet region by region, would bring more transparency for all, even for valve, like a mix of wikipedia and bug reporter, with rss feeds and all this little helpers, that are raising the efficiency of communication between valve an the community things like this do not work with official forums, where matters like ours got lost in the "heavy noise" there that are some of my thoughts about this matter feel free to write your opinion about it open and transparent communication is the way we all should use regards grammaton782 pfaelzer-gold.de _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
