This is a multi-part message in MIME format. -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] As it became quiet around this problem, i would also like to point out that this issue is far from beeing resolved.
I state again: We run all-Intel-CPUs from P4s over dual / quad xeons to core 2 duos, all with nearly the exact lag issues. All running Debian almost the same problems on Sarge and Etch (now running Etch since its stable) All running cut down Preemt Kernels with 1000Hz (2.6.16.40+), also tried countless other Versions including 2.6.20 and 2.6.21-rc7 with / without dyntick, different IO Schedulers ... so everything that could cause problems is sorted out from our side. Since these boxes are dedicated for gameservers only there is not much else on them besides proftpd-mysql, snmpd and our webinterface-backend (really just some perl scripts croned) that could cause any trouble. Problems are almost identical with the current "public" version and the beta, therefore our customer servers are still running on build 2949, as everything else is performing far from what our customers expect. I agree with TC from UKCS, that valve should put some focus on optimizing performance, but then ... they have not thought about that a single second in the last 2 year .. so basically i have given up hope on that one ... I do hope this issue will get resolved soon ... as there might be a point where we will be unable to use the "working" build (caused by some client update or whatnot) and therefore beeing unable to offer source servers to our customers. Arne Guski www.server-sales.de Forum: http://forum.server-sales.de Qnet: #server-sales.de Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 48395948 > Message: 3 > From: "Michael Shavit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Still CSS Problems > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:22:49 +0200 > Organization: Binarics GmbH > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Hello, > > I would like to add here too from our side, we still have fps drops and > latency increase even with the betaupdate, on Debian as also RedHat. Hope > Valve is still taking care of that. > > Cheers, > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tobias Rehn > Sent: Montag, 23. April 2007 13:19 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [hlds_linux] Still CSS Problems > > Hey, > > We tested several configurations (Debian unstable, testing, stable + > different kernels + different hw [Intel <-> AMD]) the last weeks and > there still seem to be these enormous fps drops in css. There is no > difference between the beta binaries and the originals. Does anyone have > a fix for this? > > I already tested debian unstable because of the new glibc (2.5). But > there is still some loss of performance according to the server versions > before the last update. It runs much better with this version but still > its not as good as before the server update 1 1/2 weeks ago. > > Kind regards, Tobias Rehn > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: "TC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Still CSS Problems > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:39:07 +0100 > Reply-To: [email protected] > > The srcds0407 source beta engine causes terrible lag problems at the start > of rounds on a full server and had to be backed off all my machines. It > better not be included as a mandatory change in the next release as that > would be disastrous. If Valve insists on that change they need to make it > optional controlled by a cvar, not forced on everyone. > > It is unclear to me why they started changing that part of the code to > attempt a fix the problem in the beta, when it doesn't sound like that was > the area they had previously fiddled with. Valve shouldn't be changing code > to try to fix something in an area of the code they hadn't touched when they > broke it. That is only shifting the sands and in this case introduces new > problems for different people. > > I have to admit I have been fortunate not to have suffered from any of the > lag problems reported through this forum except from the beta srcds0407. I > run a mixture of operating systems on various boxes, both 32 bit and 64 bit, > AMD and Intel, single and multi processor and various kernel versions. I use > glib2.3.6 by default and also tried glib2.5 but have been unable to > re-create the problem on any combination. > > The fact that it doesn't affect everybody makes it sound like they have done > something in the code that can now upset the operating system. If it was > something basic it would be in the main valve code and affect everybody. > Maybe they updated their compiler version or used different compile > switches, or added a rogue system call with un-initialised parameters. It's > a bit like renice stopped being useable in a past valve engine release, > that's probably due to the game upsetting the operating system and something > else they have not been able to track down. > > The only other thought on why UKCS has been unaffected maybe that we only > use our own custom mod not any off the shelf mods used on most other > servers. Its won't be the mods themselves, but maybe a combination of > libraries along with the latent bug introduced by Valve that causes it to > exhibit itself. However, I think some people say they could get the problem > without any mods but not sure if that was confirmed. Only Valve will know > ALL the changes they introduce between releases, and it's those areas they > changed including the build process they should review and only relating to > those areas they changed should they look to apply a fix. > > The biggest factor that affects the playability and popularity of the > Valve's Source games is how smooth and tight their games feel to play. I'd > like to see more focus from Valve concentrating on improving performance and > underlying feel of the game as that's something that benefits all players > and what want above all other things enhancements. Too much time seems to be > spent making changes and introducing features that assume the basics are > already in place and perfect, when they are not. Players want a game they > can play smoothly on the PC they already have at home which requires making > both the client and server side work with lower CPU and without hangs and > glitches. Continuing to develop the game in a direction that requires ever > more powerful Client PCs and graphic cards prices most of the potential > players off the game. Similar goes for the amount of CPU the server side now > requires, now demanding the very top end available hardware to support them > which again out prices most and affects the end users experience who play on > them. I've ran Valve based game servers for five years, and CSS has never > ran as well as it did before the changes at the end of 2005. Back then it > ran with significantly less load on both client and server and felt overall > more enjoyable to play. > > Valve needs to concentrate on improving the fundamentals of their games, and > the number of players and popularity will go up which has to be Valve's > reason for making changes. In contrast, I wonder how many more people were > drawn to play CSS by dynamic weapon pricing, HDR, those new text boxes and > some of those valve maps which were very pretty but too laggy for the > average player? How many players benefited from the > cl_restrict_server_commands constraint imposed on server mods against how > many were negatively affected by the knock on affects of introducing it? > > Did Valve ever fix the problem where the downloads directory of user sprays > gets very large over time and causes lag every time people spray while it > searches the directory to find the needed file? Or is each server owner > still expected to know they need to provide their own regular purging? I'd > like to think Valve fixed that one, if not, why not. > > The better voice codec was on the right lines - focussing on the > fundamentals of the game. Let's hope valve find their direction and spend > their coming development time on the top requirement of every player - > improving the fundamental smoothness and feel of the core game itself. > > TC > UKCS Mega Game Servers (www.ukcs.net) > -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
