It's not that is is an bad idea, it's just that you're asking Valve to implement it.
I imagine the most horrible scenario (see above) and then some. There are "proper" ways to do this, and _very horrible_ ways to do this. Even with insights here, they will go for the latter. Always. We have over five years of experience to say this is so. So, while you "do not see a problem with this", I know for a fact there will be LARGE problems for the rest of us. Unless there is a complete, concrete and solid solution to a problem that affects >50% of the playerbase, they simply will not care.If they do, it will be a laymans solution that will not work in the long run and will have to be patched forever. Fun. There is a reason people are whining here about 3 year old bugs in the linux-server. -TheG On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Guy Watkins <[email protected]>wrote: > I don't understand what you are getting to. All the server needs to do is > return 1 more CVAR to the client when the client does the normal server > query. Then the client needs to save that hostname if the user attempts to > add the server to the favorites. Then the client would need to do a simple > DNS lookup anytime it wants to talk to that server. Don't even need a new > hat! But I do like blue. :) > > No change is needed on the master servers. Only the trivial changes > mentioned above. Of course some optional improvements could also be done. > Like, if a server is currently in favorites by IP and the query returned a > hostname, then replace the IP with hostname so the favorites will be > updated. > > I really don't see any problems with this. I would love to hear what Valve > thinks. > > } -----Original Message----- > } From: [email protected] [mailto:hlds_linux- > } [email protected]] On Behalf Of Björn Rohlén > } Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 12:53 PM > } To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > } Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Request: Adding servers by domain name > } > } On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Andrew Armitage > } <[email protected]>wrote: > } > } > What? > } > > } > > } Exactly, you missed the whole thing. Messing with the master servers was > } never an option, treating complete URL:s as "non-responding servers" does > } not work for obvious reasons and while polling the string from the server > } itself might seem like an good idea, it really is not. > } > } -The G > } > } Björn Rohlén wrote: > } > } > This might not be as easy as it sounds. SAF might look something like > } this: > } >> - Did user add by hostname or ip4/ip6? store accordingly, no reverse > } >> lookup. > } >> - If user added by hostname, resolve and store ip and hostname > } >> accordingly, > } >> reverse lookups still useless. > } >> - Solve the problem with not sending a whole barrel of queries from > the > } >> users favorite list when some crazy bastards have a hundred or so of > } them, > } >> click the fav-tab and whine to no end when 15-30 of them no longer > } >> resolves > } >> and the oddities that follows due to timeouts. > } >> > } >> Now.... > } >> > } >> Possibly letting the user update the stored static ip if s/he chooses > } to, > } >> or > } >> do it slowly in the background (awesome, more threaded bugs, leaks and > } >> overcomplicating things). Confusion from "casual" players with the > } >> updating-process commences. DNS-problems yet another point of failure > } when > } >> people are trying to play online. Should masterservers be rewritten to > } >> allow > } >> server operators to list their hostname on them to serve the clients? > } >> Obviously this would be a very bad idea, so we´re back to favorites. > } ALL > } >> OF > } >> THIS for manually adding hostnames to favorites? > } >> > } >> Oh yeah, this will be fun. > } >> > } >> -The Gryzowrg > } >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Andrew Armitage <[email protected] > } >> >wrote: > } >> > } >> This would make the lives of server admins a LOT easier. > } >>> > } >>> Moving the server from one machine to another, for upgrades, extra > } >>> capacity > } >>> etc. has always been a nightmare, and it takes ages to get our > } irregular > } >>> players back.Victoria Conlan wrote: > } >>> > } >> > } >> > } >>> If they all remembered us by name then it would be a doddle! > } >>> > } >>> A > } >>> > } >>> > } >>> On 25/06/2011 01:02, Guy Watkins wrote: > } >>> > } >>> The hostname should be in a CVAR and returned when the server is > } >>>> queried. > } >>>> It could be displayed in the browser without ever looking it up, but > } no > } >>>> need > } >>>> to display it in the browser, since you know the IP address at this > } time > } >>>> and > } >>>> can connect to it by IP. However, when you save it in favorites, it > } >>>> should > } >>>> save the hostname if one exists in the CVAR. > } >>>> > } >>>> Maybe the browser could display the hostname when you hover over an > } >>>> entry? > } >>>> > } >>>> This was talked about before on May 10 2010 relating to IPv6. The > } >>>> subject > } >>>> was: "IPv6 Support" > } >>>> > } >>>> Like this: > } >>>> sv_hostname=myserver.com:27016 > } >>>> > } >>>> Guy > } >>>> > } >>>> > } >>>> ______________________________****_________________ > } >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > } >>> please visit: > } >>> > } http://list.valvesoftware.com/****mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > http://list. > } valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > } >>> > } <**http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > http://list > } .valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > } >>> > > } >>> > } >>> ______________________________**_________________ > } >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > } >> please visit: > } >> > } http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > http://list.va > } lvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > } >> > } > > } > > } > ______________________________**_________________ > } > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > } > please visit: > } > > } http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > http://list.va > } lvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > } > > } _______________________________________________ > } To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > } please visit: > } http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
