I just want to mention that some of these premium servers had been online long bevore items, trading, tons of custom maps and halloween events. Back in the days they provided a different TF2 experience that was kind of innovative. And i still think they are. It´s a hell of admins-work to keep a fully-modded server running.

I prefer to run my servers vanilla, but i still like to sneak to some of the premium servers from time to time and have some extreaordinary TF2-fun. If players like to pay for it, well that´s ok with me. Every player should decide on his own where to spend money. And if they spend it for "premium", where is the problem? Is the problem that valve doesn´t get the money? Or do the vanilla-server-admins claim the money for their righteous servers?

In my opinion the issues "server-abuse" and "premium-payments" are very different topics.

-Moss

Am 06.11.2011 10:32, schrieb ics:
I don't like servers that sell premium features that include extra speed, extra 
health and fake drops but you can't just report them for having something that 
you don't have or want to have at your own servers. Mods are allowed and can be 
used in good way for giving extra value to your server or bad way for making 
players pay for that extra value.

The stuff you mentioned in only a problem if player is ignorant and thinks that 
this is the free part of the game and only with paying you get the extra stuff. 
Servers sell premium features, valve sells premium feature aka full game tof 
tf2 so everyone can see how the new player who is just started might be 
confused and make a mistake. It's their loss though.

-ics



----- Alkuperäinen viesti -----
I took a look at the linked page and I understand the problem. This is
really poor what that "community" makes. I agree with DontWannaName and
personally for me: I would not play on their servers. I mean you PAY for
more hp and other things. No way. -----   Sent from my SGS



DontWannaName!<[email protected]>  schrieb:

No, but they can dock them in points appropriately for providing a poor
experience to gamers on their servers.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Bacon Cat<[email protected]>  wrote:

Their Servers, their rules. Valve can't stop them running the servers
how they want.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:34 AM, Drogen Viech
<[email protected]
wrote:
The saigns.de guys banned me for whatever reason, probably for
calling their servers pay-to-win-infested bullshit - so i'd wanted
to join and report them for giving out items to players they don't
have (obviously valve didn't want this days back when purposely
denying player-attachments?)

(Also, they seem to fake alot of messages to trick people into
thinking their bots are real players - they even managed to modify
the "status" command output afaik)

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