I do hope the "should" will turn into "will". That thread on SPUF is running almost a year now with over 500 replies or w/e, unless thats a separate issue...
>________________________________ > From: Fletcher Dunn <[email protected]> >To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list ><[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012, 19:01 >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] No Steam Logon - massive lag > >Yes, I believe that a crash affecting several clients at once would produce >very similar behavior. The Steam client could detect a broken pipe with the >game process, inform Steam backend, and Steam notifies your gameserver, all >before the gameserver times out the client. > >It goes without saying that we should fix the crashes. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ics >Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:23 AM >To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] No Steam Logon - massive lag > >Thanks for the very clear response. The message about steam logon was infact >very confusing, so there was no way for a regular player like me to know if >they disconnected due to Steam or themselves. There still isn't, except i know >now it isn't Steam's fault like everyone seems to assume. > >On a matter of what might be causing clients to leave or quit, there an issue >that might cause this and the latest client crashes that everyone on SPUF >complains about are related. Infact just hour ago, i saw majority of the >people on one of my server timed out and was wondering why that happens. Then >those folks came back, told that their game crashed. I said not everyone did >and soon after that, i also had a crash. So whatever happened there, i don't >know and also the server log didn't said anything odd when i looked at it. > >It looks to me according the logs that the guy airblasted against me and had a >crash. Then bunch of others had crash too. > >-ics > > >6.2.2012 19:20, Fletcher Dunn kirjoitti: >> "Ticket canceled" means (almost all of the time) that the *client* told >> Steam that they were leaving your server. >> >> This is the sequence of events that we think is happening: >> >> 1.) Network disruption begins on the gameserver. >> 2.) Client drops, or leaves the game. (This is obviously a common thing >> that players do when their experience is suddenly degraded.) The client >> isn't experiencing any network problems on his end, so he tells Steam he is >> leaving the gameserver, and Steam immediately receives this message and >> cancels the auth ticket for the client on that gameserver. >> 3.) Gameserver restores network connectivity. It hasn't heard anything back >> from the client, but has not timed the client out, either. >> 4.) Gameserver receives message from steam auth that the client canceled >> their ticket. >> >> So Steam auth system in this case is just the messenger telling your server >> that the client dropped, it is not actually "kicking" the client. The >> client-server is UDP, so there's no TIME_WAIT state to immediately notify >> the gameserver and terminate the connection if the server tries to contact >> the client soon after connectivity is restored. The client will simply >> discard such communications --- so the server has to rely on a (relatively >> generous) timeout. >> >> We did fix a problem with the auth system around the New Year, but it would >> only account for problems surrounding the relatively infrequent occasion >> that we prop all of our servers. The reports we have investigated have not >> shown anything unusual on the back end. So this is our current theory. We >> think that steam auth has been getting the blame for "kicking" players, when >> in fact it's just the first mechanism by which the game server is notified >> that the player left. >> >> I think we should stop trying to debug auth problems, and instead look at >> what sorts of basic network disruption might cause clients to leave or >> quit. Obviously, this could most definitely be in the realm of a Source >> dedicated server bug or design flaw --- but it could also be a plugin >> blocking. I'm working on some suggestions for the best ways to debug this. >> I think it's basically just "use vprof", but I want to get specific >> instructions and know that they work. >> >> Your humble servant, >> - Fletch >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ics >> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 10:25 AM >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] No Steam Logon - massive lag >> >> In relation to this, i've previously seen major lagging time to time that >> hits when the round starts. At this time, one or more players drop off with >> message "no steam logon" (everyone propably remembers the case when server >> basically emptied out due to this) but due to recent change, it now says: >> >> Player Herra Troot left the game (Client left game (Steam auth ticket >> has been canceled)) Player Oliolli left the game (Client left game >> (Steam auth ticket has been canceled)) >> >> The lagging (timeout timer comes up) only lasts about 2-10 seconds and >> immediately ends when one or more players drop off and everything is back to >> normal. >> >> My question is, can a client that has issues cause the whole server to lag >> untill it gets the reply from steam to drop the player off and why do these >> players drop off in the first place as they have been on the game like >> every other guy next to them for couple of maps before this? >> Shouldn't those tickets automatically renew during gameplay? Atleast thats >> what i think my game is sometimes doing when it does a 1-2 seconds >> screenjam& soundloop. >> >> -ics >> >> 31.1.2012 2:20, Fletcher Dunn kirjoitti: >>> Steam auth sometimes gets the blame when in fact the problem is just a >>> plain-old-fashioned client timeout. We have changed the messaging recently >>> to make this more clear, but if you are running old binaries. >>> >>> I do seem to remember that we fixed a similar DoS attack recently. >>> >>> Can you confirm that you are running the latest binaries? When you boot >>> your server, does it spit out your public IP next to the message when your >>> server connects to Steam? Can you verify your files and make sure it >>> doesn't pull anything down? >>> >>> Your humble servant, >>> - Fletch >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >>> Michael Johansen >>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:25 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [hlds_linux] No Steam Logon - massive lag >>> >>> >>> Hi guys, >>> I'm running 6 TF2 servers which are quite popular. Anyhow, my server laggs, >>> badly sometimes, and right after the spike a lot of players d/c with the >>> "No Steam Logon" message. This is not related to a machine or any plugins I >>> am running. This has happened a lot of times now, and I'm sick of it. What >>> is wrong and why is it happening? Me and a friend were playing on two of >>> our servers when we both lag out (red message in the top right corner) and >>> then it stops and returns to normal, but half of the players are now gone. >>> Help? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >_______________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please >visit: >https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >_______________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please >visit: >https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
