Special game modes sometimes benefit from class limits (such as Vs.
Saxton Hale limiting Engineers and Spies), but I agree that a standard
game doesn't benefit from it.
On 8/14/2012 6:33 PM, dan wrote:
On 14/08/2012 22:40, Nomaan Ahmad wrote:
Some servers ops will know how to make it balanced... class limiting
is one
of them.
No they don't. Class limiting is a flawed approach. It suggests that
if you assign forced roles that the game will be good. It won't be. It
just means the 2 or 3 engineers you have will be halfwits and the one
guy that can play engineer has to watch these halfwits in frustration.
The only time highlander and class limits works is when you have
organised teams and matches and then you can say "Bill, you be the
medic...John, you play engineer" and so on.
Yes it sucks if you have 5 spies and 5 snipers on a team, but the
truth is, forcing these guys to play a different class won't help.
It's far better to let people play what class they want and use that
data to see they are all buffoons. They'll see it when they lose and
you'll see it when you join so you can, if you want, just hit 'change
server' and find a round that will be better.
Of course, from a server admin point of view the idea the best way to
find a good round is to hit 'change server' isn't that appealing,
hence the flawed attempts to try and mess things around instead.
You can't turn a buffoon into a good player by making him play a
different class, nor a team of buffoons into a good team using the
same method.
As I said in another post, generally speaking, increasing the number
of players, reducing the number of shots you need to kill or removing
the penalty for death are all designed to hide differences in skill
between players and teams.
Or in other words, people play on 32 man, instant spawn servers (and
Robin runs around with his OP rocket launcher or people pay saigns for
silly weapons and abilities) because it helps hide the fact they suck.
With 12v12 with respawn timers (and things like nocrit) you will see
which players on the server can play better than the others and which
team is better - especially if both teams are motivated towards the
objective.
Their skill will be more evident (although as the comp players will
tell you, 6v6 is better than 12v12 for that) But, unfortunately, it
will generally result in average and below players spending a lot of
time spectating and losing rounds.
Which obviously for them is a worse experience than having a 3 hour
round that no one wins (or that one team can trivially win because
there are some trivial ways to win with instant spawn, especially when
you have weapons like the dead ringer)
It's a lot easier to configure a server badly than it is to get better
at playing it too.
So it's no real surprise there's a player base happy to play on
servers configured this way.
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