Steamchat is a separate program run over top the game. If your executing a Screenshot on hl2.exe for example, it cannot interfere with steamoverlay.exe. The two cannot communicate.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Svensson Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 11:34 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TriggerBot/Prediction hack(Crit hack/No spread) detection plugin I suppose it takes screenshots of steamchats, that is not ok. 2012/9/10 Erik-jan Riemers <[email protected]> > You mean all the cheaters can avoid that server? > > 2012/9/10 Drogen Viech <[email protected]> > > > He should atleast force a tag into sv_tags when this plugin is > > installed so i can avoid all those servers > > > > 2012/9/10 ics <[email protected]>: > > > Like i said you wouldn't even care if you didn't know about such > feature > > > existed on this plugin. Anakin isn't some mojo from backalley who > > > tries > > to > > > exploit everyone. Plugin takes screenshots that reveal cheaters. > Nothing > > > else. Granted, you don't know that for sure as it isn't open > > > source but that's what it does. > > > > > > I¨'m all in for extra tools to get cheaters out as we ban more > > > cheaters > > than > > > VAC catches (if we look back 2 months after ban was issued by us, > > > VAC doesn't get nearly all of them). I'm even helping with > > > reporting every single cheater through Steamcommunity because i know it also helps. > > > > > > -ics > > > > > > 10.9.2012 17:54, Drogen Viech kirjoitti: > > > > > >> The difference is that it's common knowledge that punkbuster > > >> takes screenshots, whereas it is done in some obscure and hidden > > >> way in anakins plugin, i really hope these exploits are going to > > >> be fixed > > >> > > >> 2012/9/10 ics <[email protected]>: > > >>> > > >>> I know what it does and i'm fine with it. Open Source isn't > > >>> always > best > > >>> solution especially on anticheat systems as cheat developers can > > >>> see > > what > > >>> it > > >>> does and do countermeasures. I'm also pretty sure Valve will do > > something > > >>> that kills the screenshot feature as they did long ago to server > > plugins > > >>> that were able to execute commands on clients. > > >>> > > >>> -ics > > >>> > > >>> 10.9.2012 17:40, Ross Bemrose kirjoitti: > > >>> > > >>>> (I added hlds to the To list as well, since this affects both > Windows > > >>>> and > > >>>> Linux servers) > > >>>> > > >>>> The problem is that it appears to be running client commands > > >>>> that > the > > >>>> server isn't supposed to have access to. AND uploading files > > >>>> from a client's machine back to the server. AND sending them > > >>>> to the author > > of > > >>>> the > > >>>> plugin; you did catch that part, right? > > >>>> > > >>>> The plugin's author won't even send the source code to the > > >>>> admins of ETF2L, let alone anyone else. Which means, unless > > >>>> you decompile it, > > you > > >>>> have no idea what it's doing. Heck, even if you DO decompile > > >>>> it, > you > > >>>> may > > >>>> have no idea what it's doing... decompilation isn't exactly the > > easiest > > >>>> thing to read. > > >>>> > > >>>> So... you have Security by Obscurity that is itself bypassing > > >>>> the > game > > >>>> client's security. > > >>>> > > >>>> On 9/10/2012 10:35 AM, ics wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Presumably it's all there in the SDK and i have to say it's an > > awesome > > >>>>> feature. If i would have to guess, Valve propably uses same > > >>>>> thing > on > > >>>>> VAC as > > >>>>> extra proof of cheating. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> No one wouldn't even be alarmed if they didn't know such > > >>>>> feature > > exists > > >>>>> on this plugin or on the server they play on. I tested this > yesterday > > >>>>> and > > >>>>> already got 1 cheater caught. Besides, it only takes screenshots. > No > > >>>>> desktop > > >>>>> shots, just ingame footage. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -ics > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 10.9.2012 16:47, Drogen Viech kirjoitti: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> What the hell? Servers can tell the client to take > > >>>>>> screenshots > *and* > > >>>>>> tell them to upload them to the server? Whatever happened > > >>>>>> about privacy? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> 2012/9/8 lwf <[email protected]>: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > > http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-21038/page-24/?recent=406717#post > -406387 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> This is absolutely brilliant, great job! Now just imagine > > >>>>>>> having something like Greenlight to go through those... > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I'm not even going to bother asking you to open source it > > >>>>>>> but > > please, > > >>>>>>> at least consider releasing a "stable" version with that > > >>>>>>> doesn't > > open > > >>>>>>> connection (no auto-update or reports to you or anywhere > > >>>>>>> else, no > > >>>>>>> offense) and has no undocumented features (now or later). > > >>>>>>> I'd > > really > > >>>>>>> like to use this, we should have had this long ago. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:23 PM, AnAkIn . > > >>>>>>> <[email protected]> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> As Valve is too lazy to do anything about hacks, I started > working > > >>>>>>>> back in January on a plugin that can detect: > > >>>>>>>> - POTENTIAL triggerbotters > > >>>>>>>> - Prediction hacks (crit hacks/no spread hacks) > > >>>>>>>> - An anti-speedhack bypass exploit > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Triggerbots: > > >>>>>>>> To make it clear as some people I gave it to didnt > > >>>>>>>> understand, > > the > > >>>>>>>> detection is kind of heuristic (I wont explain in > > >>>>>>>> detail, if > I > > do > > >>>>>>>> then the cheat coders will bypass it in no time), so its > > >>>>>>>> not because someone got detected that he is surely > > >>>>>>>> cheating. Its just a > tool > > to > > >>>>>>>> help you find people that can potentially cheat and you can > > >>>>>>>> just check the STV demos then to confirm that they cheat or > > >>>>>>>> not. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The most detections for a single person in the less > > >>>>>>>> timespan you will find in the log, the more likely he is > > >>>>>>>> using a triggerbot. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Prediction hacks: > > >>>>>>>> I guess this is what will interest most people on this > > >>>>>>>> list, it detects the crit hacks that does 100% crits all > > >>>>>>>> the time which > is > > an > > >>>>>>>> engine exploit which has been added into many hacks lately. > > >>>>>>>> It's also used for various no spread/low spread hacks. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> The detections get printed to a log called > > TriggerBotDetections.log > > >>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>> tf/ (and are also sent to me) on EVERY MAP change or when > > >>>>>>>> all players have disconnected from the server. Its > > >>>>>>>> important to note this otherwise you could loose all the > > >>>>>>>> detections (especially if your server automatically > > >>>>>>>> restarts every night). There is a simple > > reason > > >>>>>>>> for this: writing in a file while you play can cause lags, > > >>>>>>>> especially if someone is getting detected a lot. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Download: > > http://tftrue.redline-utilities.net/TriggerBotDetector.zip > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>> Best regards, > > >>>>>>>> AnAkIn > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > > >>>>>>>> list archives, please visit: > > >>>>>>>> > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>>>>> archives, please visit: > > >>>>>>> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>>>> please visit: > > >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_l > > >>>>> inux > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > >>>> please visit: > > >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_li > > >>>> nux > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > >>> please visit: > > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_lin > > >>> ux > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >> archives, please visit: > > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linu > > >> x > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, please visit: > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
