Well said McKay. VAC is especially useless towards a F2P game as well, a hacker can just use throw away accounts if he is so determined. Not keeping your items sure is a deteerent for honest players, but not so much for people who want to "cheat troll" (which is what half the cheaters I see do, they don't even try to hide it and makes it blindly obvious to annoy players).
And is it just me, or have the mailing list discussion dropped off since the quickplay change as well? Majority of the discussions seems to happen in response of updates now too. On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Alexander Corn <mc...@doctormckay.com> wrote: > Here's a free bump since I didn't check the list in a little while. > > The Quickplay change was the single most harmful change in the history of > the game. Gamers are notoriously lazy and entitled. They want their game to > start *now*, before the loading screen even goes away. They're going to > take the path of least resistance when joining a game. That path is > Quickplay. > > It's all but impossible to start up a new vanilla server these days. You'll > get a player or two here and there but the bulk of the population is now > being funneled directly to Valve servers. It's almost ironic that Valve > made it hardest to host servers the way the game was meant to be played. > > As others have said, no Valve server was in the top 200 on Gametracker > before the change. You might ask why community servers deserve traffic, but > I'll ask right back why servers that people wouldn't join on their own > deserve most traffic. > > VAC is designed to work in cooperation with a server administrator. VAC's > delayed bans are a deterrent. That is, they attempt to prevent people from > cheating in the first place. They're worthless for removing active > cheaters. That's what server admins are for, but Valve's servers don't have > any. > > Many players won't ever discover the server browser simply because the main > menu design discourages them from clicking on the button. Eventually > they'll bore. Bring thrown onto a random Valve server every time is the > same way that Call of Duty works and it's pretty notorious for being a > bland shooter. Who here thought 8 months ago that today we'd be comparing > the TF2 experience to the CoD experience? > > You can add all kinds of game mechanics. In the end, it's the community > that encourages players to come back. Valve servers have no community. > > We don't want Valve servers to be shut down or anything. I just ask for > Valve to reconsider its current stance of "community servers can screw off" > which was supposed to be temporary as it is. > > Then again, I should be used to the Valve definition of "temporary". Go > type sv_consistency into the console and see for yourself. > On Oct 15, 2014 2:16 PM, "Robert Paulson" <thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I don't mind if he keep bumping the thread with these troll posts. A bump > > is a bump. > > > > Dan (needaxeo) has been trolling these mailing lists for the past 2 > years. > > He doesn't want Valve to take any action because he gave up on his own > > community and wants to see everyone else fail. He thinks no one can host > a > > better server and we are all trying to make a profit off dirt cheap > servers > > like he did. And he doesn't even play the game anymore so he is just here > > trolling. > > > > Here is the proof when I outed him. > > > > > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com/msg75063.html > > > > > https://www.mail-archive.com/hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com/msg75067.html > > > > He keeps repeating 2 arguments that have been debunked over and over > again. > > > > - People are not too stupid or lazy to find the server they want to play. > > > > If people weren't stupid or lazy they would never have needed to make > > official servers default, because they would have been smart enough to > add > > "valve" to their tags. > > > > Even Valve knows most people are stupid or lazy which is why every Steam > > chat box says "Never tell your password to anyone" and "the URL you have > > clicked on is not an official Steam website". > > > > - Valve servers are objectively the best. > > > > Before this quickplay change, none of the official servers were even top > > 200 on Gametrackers. > > > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Frank <ad...@gamerscrib.net> wrote: > > > > > Haven't you learned yet? Arguing with Dan on this is pointless and you > > are > > > more likely to get hit by lightning than have him understand and see > the > > > facts. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > > [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 1nsane > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:39 PM > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] "Temporary" Quickplay changes ... 8 months > > later > > > > > > Most of them are either too stupid or don't care enough to play the > game > > > long enough to explore for other things. > > > > > > I've talked with many new players (usually because they add me to > "sell" > > > stuff). A lot of them are not even aware that there's custom maps. > > > Simply because server browser is too hard to use/slow and there's no > such > > > customization on quickplay. > > > Even old time players prefer to use quickplay when they want to feel > good > > > so > > > they can stomp on new players seen on valve servers. > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:30 PM, dan <needa...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 14/10/2014 15:39, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek wrote: > > > > > > > >> I think it's about effectively distributing more diversity to make a > > > >> game less blunt and show to players (new ones and old ones alike) > > > >> that there's more to the game than meets the current quickplay-eye. > > > >> > > > > > > > > That just boils down to another "players are too dumb to find and > > > > connect to the server they want to" fallacy. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
