Yup, I was thinking Merb from the first time you started, erm, railing
against rails :~). Also, and this is pure speculation at this point, but
what if you could use Hobo with a really lightweight framework like SInatra?

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:41 PM, ara_vartanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> Thanks for the suggestion. Just to be clear, the problem to me is not
> Hobo. The problem is Rails. There is simply no reason that each new
> version should break the whole ecosystem of software around it. This
> makes everything ridiculously brittle. If we have *one* plugin that
> has decided not yet to support an upgrade, we're in a world of pain.
> It's all because Rails sticks to no interfaces. Whereas other
> platforms have interfaces, accessibility restrictions, and callbacks,
> Ruby and Rails have alias_method_chain and the send hack.
>
> I really think DRYML is something brilliant that gets at what a lot of
> people have wanted for a long time -- a templating language that is
> both declarative, extensible, and almost object oriented in a kind of
> way. I've heard talk of separating it from Rails so that it might be
> used with something like Merb. Ultimately, down the line, I think
> DRYML is so good that it would be worth thinking about porting it over
> to different platforms even.
>
> On Dec 4, 9:12 am, Tom Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > we made a decision to delay moving to Rails 2.2 for as long as we
> > > could.
> >
> > OK looks like a Rails 2.2 upgrade can be a bit more work than I'd
> > realised. I've upgraded several apps very easily though. The only
> > problems I've hit (so far!) were in Hobo itself, and those are fixed
> > now.
> >
> > Unfortunately this kind of thing is just part of the challenge of
> > using a big project like Hobo before 1.0. At one point we insisted on
> > edge Rails - that really annoyed a few people :) Using lots of other
> > plugins will also exaggerate these issues.
> >
> > One thing you could do is fork Hobo and keep a Rails 2.1 branch,
> > cherry-picking in any fixes you need that come later.
> >
> > Tom
> >
>

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