--- Lobster wrote:
> >btw ...
> >harmon, yosy and i did a 2.5 hr encore friday
> afternoon ...
> >it was fun!!!
> >or is that ...
> >it IS fun?
> >
> >c u there
>
> Gluttony!
>
> :-)
Now this is a great development - when people start having spontaneous CurlChats. I like that very much...
In fact, i liked it so much that i logged into CurlChat just now... thinking it was Wednesday... Wondered where everyone was for a bit.
:)
> What interests me is why this happened?
> I have a feeling it is behind the scenes caching
>
> Naughty.
>
> What MS do is report that files are copied
> WHEN they are still being copied in the background . . .
>
> Happened to me a few times with XP and USB sticks . . .
That explains a lot, thanks, Lob. So how is a person to know the copying is really done? Has happened to me, too.
> we could do with a wiki of HG tips . . .
Good idea. Also, may be part of the tutorials we talked about creating earlier?
> There are 3 main formats that are sufficient for most of us
>
> gifs
> jpg (also called jpeg)
> and PNG
>
> (you might need tifs too for professional output)
>
>
> - Gif is used for solid icons, simple colour graphics
> and for transparent images
> where you do not want a border.
>
> If you convert a jpeg to a gif
> the gif will grow because it is designed for simple
> colours (that is without shades
> - it can display shades and small pics OK but is not
> always ideal)
>
> You can also animate gifs.
>
> Jpg was created for compressing photos and it is very good at that
> it looks for fractal patterns that it can code with a few numbers
> - so it is very good at large photos and very
> complex images - you can also
> decide how much compression to put into the image.
>
> If you do too much compression the image starts to become blocky . . .
Yes. Sometimes you can adjust the amount of dithering to improve things, but not if it is blocky or too banded.
>
> PNG is a combination of the best (compression) of
> Jpeg with the animation and transparency of Gifs
What software do people like for doing animations? Besides POV Ray, which is wonderful.
I like MS Gif Animator - has been available as a free download from the web and also comes with Front Page and with MS Image Composer.
Also like GifCon32 and PowerBullet (makes slower anims, though) and IrfanView does anims too.
>
> The images can be a little bigger (and I do just mean a few k)
> and not all freeware supports it - but it is of course the future)
>
> Hope that makes some sense . . .
Yes, thanks. Lizzie mentioned that png is good because it gets around the way that aol sometimes fails to handle images properly/consistently. What is that aol .art format most like?
The photo of the pink asters-daisies was 169k as a jpg in PhotoShop. I added the text line and then flattened the image. Opened it in IrfanView and saved as a gif and set the compression somewhere in the middle. The gif was 119k, and could have been compressed more but it was late and i was sleepy.
That's what i usually do for images to upload to the web, compress it with IrfanView as a gif. The only time i've had one increase in size was the large pic of the yellow flower and bee-in-flight.
I think you are right about how the complexity of the pic makes a difference. The asters-daisies and bee-in-flight were taken with the same camera on the same roll of film and what is most different is that the bee pic is largely monochromatic - all of those assorted shades of yellow for most of the details there... may be more for the software to sort out when saving or trying to compress.
Thanks for the useful information.
love and peace,
joyce
PS - Noticed the larger icons for the characers (avatars) in CurlChat (the ones that people can click on to select). Much better this way. Nicely done. :)
>
> Lob
>
>
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