Op 16 okt. 2012, om 10:56 heeft Mark Townsley het volgende geschreven:

> 
> On Oct 11, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Teco Boot wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Op 11 okt. 2012, om 13:50 heeft Ole Trøan het volgende geschreven:
>> 
>>>>> PS:  I'd also be quite happy to see BRDP go out as an
>>>>> Experimental status RFC initially, whether through
>>>>> the IETF track, IRTF Routing RG, or the ISE-track.
>>>>> BRDP seems very useful and useful protocols tend
>>>>> to self-deploy into environments where they are useful.
>>>> 
>>>> We also have Eric Kline's draft in similar space: 
>>>> draft-kline-default-perimeter-00.
>>>> 
>>>> Both can hopefully contribute to the solution for this problem space in 
>>>> homenet.
>>> 
>>> I have read the BRDP framework document, but I failed to understand how 
>>> BRDP solves the problem of how a border is discovered.
>>> it explains well how to act when a border has been established, but I don't 
>>> understand how BRDP helps getting to that point. pointers?
>> 
>> I merge the old BRDP drafts into one, to be submitted soon. Now I have to 
>> tweak a bit for Homenet. I do this in slack time, I hope to do some of it 
>> before Atlanta.
> 
> If you would like to present this in Atlanta, it would be nice to have a 
> homenet targeted document for people to review. 
> 
>> 
>> In a MANET and in general, uplink interfaces (wired, cellular, satcom) are 
>> distinguished easily from MANET interfaces. In homenet and ethernet, we 
>> could have fixed assigned and color marked interfaces, but this is not our 
>> target. So here we need an additional tool. 
>> 
>> After an interface is discovered as an uplink interface, and it has received 
>> a prefix (e.g. DHCP-PD), then
> 
>> BRDP propagates this information downstream in the edge network.
> 
> In this way, BRDP sounds more like what is being done in 
> draft-arkko-homenet-prefix-assignment.
Yes. The BRDP info could be distributed with the routing protocol. I chose for 
RA because it is IGP agnostic and info is delivered to hosts also. Hosts can 
benefit from knowledge about the multi-homed network. For MPTCP, this is 
essential.

I moved BRDP towards centralized prefix management with DHCP-PD, where the CPE 
= border router = DHCP server that manages the to be assigned /64 prefixes. 
This would remove the non-volatile requirement from non-CPE routers. And would 
provide an information base for a (web-based) management tool. 

The boot-homenet-brdp draft includes the mechanism for SA based routing. Can be 
used with arkko-homenet-prefix-assignment also.

> 
>> This could be used for perimeter discovery also. If there is no border 
>> router upstream, ask for a prefix with DHCP-PD. If it has assigned such 
>> successfully, start acting as BRDP. Other checks would be useful 
>> (draft-kline-default-perimeter).
> 
> Right, I don't see anything inconsistent here vs. what draft-kline has been 
> talking about.... Just one more heuristic. 

Added in my draft, with pointer to kline-default-perimeter.

Teco


> 
> - Mark
> 
>> 
>> I'll add this in the to be submitted homenet-brdp.
>> 
>> Teco
>> 
>>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> Ole
>>> 
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