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From: Michael Thomas <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, February 21, 2013 5:57 PM
To: Lorenzo Colitti <[email protected]>
Cc: Dave Taht <[email protected]>, Michael Richardson
<[email protected]>, Mark Townsley <[email protected]>, Jari Arkko
<[email protected]>, John Jason Brzozowski
<[email protected]>, "[email protected] Group"
<[email protected]>, David Lamparter <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [homenet] Running code in Orlando

>Lorenzo Colitti wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Michael Thomas <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> 
>>         Sigh.
>> 
>> 
>>     Sigh all you like, but I share Dave's skepticism that ISP's
>>     renumbering my prefix willy-nilly and it just sort of works with
>>     naming -- including addresses squirrelled away in places they ought
>>     not be -- is going to work any time soon.
>> 
>> 
>> That's why we have ULAs and multiple prefixes.
>
>ULA's are of limited use. I still want to start my washing machine
>regardless of
>whether I'm at home or not.
[jjmb] maybe today, who knows about tomorrow.
>
>
>>     I don't like to think that NAT is inevitable but frankly the people
>>     in this working group don't get to vote on that.
>> 
>> 
>> Actually they do. They have the freedom to specify alternatives, and
>> depending on how good a job they do, implementers may choose to use
>>them.
>
>Wishful thinking. NAT's didn't start with the blessing of IETF as I
>recall. They just
>happened. If the alternatives are too whacked out, history will repeat
>itself.
[jjmb] not sure I agree here, the conditions and parameters are different
today specifically there are currently no issues with IPv6 resource
availability.
>
>
>>     Speaking to the title of this thread: has anybody actually
>>     demonstrated such a thing end to end? It strikes me as
>>     Frankensteinian when you get all of the body parts bolted together.
>> 
>> 
>> What thing exactly? Multiprefix multihoming? End-to-end connectivity in
>> general?
>
>Yes, along with naming, security, prefix delegation across multiple
>routers, and isp's
>giving and withdrawing prefixes due to renumbering. I'm dubious that this
>has happened
>in real life with networks with people whose day job is to worry about
>such things, and
>I'd be astonished to hear such a thing has been shown to work on a home
>network.
[jjmb] hmmm we have quite a few real customers that are using IPv6 enabled
on a daily basis mostly using technology that we specified ~8 years ago.
Does this count?
>
>Mike

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