Hi Denis, You appear to have perceived events and statements different from how others' have perceived these. I don't find this thread accusing Juliusz of bad behavior to be an appropriate way of addressing your perceptions. As chair of homenet (your email was sent to homenet and babel), I would appreciate an opportunity to talk to you directly (by phone / VoIP) to try to better address your perceptions. I find trying to do this by email very challenging. If others share Denis' perceptions, please let the chairs know. Thx, Barbara
> -----Original Message----- > From: homenet <homenet-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Denis Ovsienko > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:29 PM > To: "Babel at IETF" <ba...@ietf.org>; "homenet" <homenet@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [homenet] [babel] about Babel security (questions for Juliusz > Chroboczek) > > Thank you for a prompt response Juliusz. > > Right now I will comment only on one specific point, more follow-ups later. > > ---- On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 10:53:03 +0100 Juliusz Chroboczek <j...@irif.fr> > wrote > ---- [...] > > The specification of "Stenberg-style security" for Babel was > never > > published. It is June 2018 and I have never seen it, although I > asked > > to. > > > > It was presented at IETF 101 in March 2018 (at which you were present). > > I confirm I attended IETF-101 in person and listened to Antonin's talk and > slides about DTLS for Babel. I did not see a written specification. At the > meeting I did bring up the need to see a written spec. > > So in this case "presented" does not go as far as "published". > > > The draft lives here: > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > 3A__github.com_jech_babel-2Ddrafts_tree_master_draft-2Ddecimo- > 2Dbabel-2Ddtls&d=DwICAg&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC- > 8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=Y3Hx49JV7xQXqwscUPkJtZiOFJkWg8DMoMcJq7RLJ7A& > s=kEGB_5PgC8bf4Eby4oWRpm9ncUbR1a7KmmuTccFv9qo&e= > > Thank you for making this update, I am glad a written specification of Babel > DTLS now exists (i.e. has been published). I have been asking since early > 2016. > > > I am not an author. Please ask the authors, not me, about why it hasn't > > been published yet. > > As far as the commit history goes, the file was first added to the repository > above on 25 June 2018 (four days ago), then it was updated three times on > 27 June 2018 and two times on 29 June 2018 (today, last time about three > hours ago). The file is a 325 lines long .xml file, which yields a .txt file, > which is > 8 pages long, 4 of which are boilerplates, the TOC, references and the likes. > The other 4 pages are the actual specification. The document lists 3 authors. > > I have studied the document and I find it difficult to discuss right now, to > be > honest. > > -- > Denis Ovsienko > > > _______________________________________________ > homenet mailing list > homenet@ietf.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_homenet&d=DwICAg&c=LFYZ- > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC- > 8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=Y3Hx49JV7xQXqwscUPkJtZiOFJkWg8DMoMcJq7RLJ7A& > s=ZSAkpu4dIvdCqrdMUXoOu4QqeagnuF1ji4pt99IPz2U&e= _______________________________________________ homenet mailing list homenet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
