The double horn is heavy. When the student is able to hold the double horn for a few minutes off the leg, it is time to switch. Remember to keep on the F side from about second space A and lower because the tone is much better.
Some teachers have students play only on Bb horn which is light. Then switch to double when student is able to hold up the heavier double horn. I sometimes practice taking off all Bb slides so horn is lighter and I learn to compensate for higher range. You could also do it the other way, taking off the F slides and playing only on the Bb side, making the horn much lighter. There are straps you can buy for the student, similar to saxophone straps that will help. Nancy > From: [email protected] > Subject: Horn Digest, Vol 90, Issue 6 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:00:01 -0500 > > Send Horn mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/horn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Horn digest..." > > > Please edit replies to include only relevant text. Please DO NOT include the > entire digest in your reply. For more netiquette information, see: > > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Beethoven Missa solemnis Sanctus 2nd horn part (Punto) > 2. Teaching question and Archives problem (Punto) > 3. Re: Teaching question and Archives problem ([email protected]) > 4. Re: Beethoven Missa solemnis Sanctus 2nd horn part > (Michael Hrivnak) > 5. Re: Beethoven Missa solemnis Sanctus 2nd horn part > (Lawrence Yates) > 6. Re: Beethoven Missa solemnis Sanctus 2nd horn part (Hans Pizka) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:24:33 -0400 > From: Punto <[email protected]> > Subject: [Hornlist] Beethoven Missa solemnis Sanctus 2nd horn part > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Does anyone know of any writings on Beethoven's choice to give the > second horn the lead part in this movement while the first lays out for > about 74 bars? It is not in any way similar to the 4th horn writing in > the 9th symphony or 2nd horn solos in Fidelio or elsewhere since it > clings to the high horn tessitura from beginning to end. In no way does > it appear to be a late classical/pre-romantic second horn part. If it > weren't Beethoven, I might just think that it was an attempt to give the > principal player a rest, but he never showed any evidence of doing that > anywhere in his writing for any instrument (or voice, for that matter). > One other interesting touch in the second part; several exposed written > F-sharps (horn in E), below the staff, in the Agnus Dei. > > A very intense piece of music and he clearly was trying out a lot of > adventurous ideas in it. I hope that someone can point me to some > authoritative study on its orchestration. I just played (and quite > enjoyed) second on a rough and tumble performance of this with meager > forces and an even sparser audience and it would be nice to benefit from > the common knowledge out there on this if there be any. > > Peter Hirsch > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 23:39:59 -0400 > From: Punto <[email protected]> > Subject: [Hornlist] Teaching question and Archives problem > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > *I do not teach myself, but I have friends who do and, for a teacher > acquaintance who is not on this list, I have been trying to find > postings on the topic of when to switch students from single to double > horn and what models are recommended for students new to the double. > It looks like there are some relevant postings, butd all of my > searches are resulting in the following message when I click on the > link that comes up: > * > > > *Lurker - failed to render page:* > > > *MBox read failure (/var/lib/lurker/horn:gzread:Value too large for > defined data type):* > > *Unable to open message in the mailbox. Perhaps it has been deleted or > moved? > * > > *Can anyone help either with accessing the archives or just answer the > original query? My friend will appreciate any input on this. You can > reply on or off-list as you prefer. > * > > *Thanks, > * > > *Peter Hirsch > * > > * > * > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:53:29 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Teaching question and Archives problem > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > In a message dated 6/6/2010 10:41:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > *I do not teach myself, but I have friends who do > > > Hi Punto, > > My friends know better than try to teach me ... and, if I tried > to teach myself ... I would probably regress. > > .... with apologies to Cabbage ... > > Regards, Kimchi in Kansas City > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:58:25 -0400 > From: Michael Hrivnak <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven Missa solemnis Sanctus 2nd horn part > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > (If you live near NYC, you can see the NYP perform this piece in just under 3 > weeks.) > > I recently played principal on this piece. Not having an assistant, I was > very grateful for the section you mentioned where the 2nd horn plays lead. > It's a lot of time on the face without much break, including a pretty hefty > blow in the Credo, which is right before that section. > > This is where IMSLP becomes incredibly handy. According to them, the parts > we > used were set by Breitkopf and H?rtel around 1880. Who knows what might have > happened back then. > > BUT, there is also a scan of the first-edition score from 1827 on IMSLP. > Fast- > forward to page 201 of the PDF, and you'll see the first page of the Sanctus. > > The scan is way too low-resolution to read exactly what it says, but I think > it says basically "Corno 1 tacet", "Corno 2 in E", "Corni in D 3, 4". This > is > corroborated by the Ernst Eulenberg score they have. > > http://imslp.org/wiki/Missa_Solemnis,_Op.123_(Beethoven,_Ludwig_van) > > This was written fairly late in his life. He had already written his first 8 > symphonies. Surely whoever played first on the premier of number 6 would > have > expressed in one way or another how much work it was, and perhaps Beethoven > was becoming more sensitive to that issue. As noted, he was not shy about > trying new things, so I think we can reasonably believe that he could have > orchestrated it this way himself. > > I wonder where the original manuscript is. > > Michael > > > On Sunday 06 June 2010 10:24:33 pm Punto wrote: > > Does anyone know of any writings on Beethoven's choice to give the > > second horn the lead part in this movement while the first lays out for > > about 74 bars? It is not in any way similar to the 4th horn writing in > > the 9th symphony or 2nd horn solos in Fidelio or elsewhere since it > > clings to the high horn tessitura from beginning to end. In no way does > > it appear to be a late classical/pre-romantic second horn part. If it > > weren't Beethoven, I might just think that it was an attempt to give the > > principal player a rest, but he never showed any evidence of doing that > > anywhere in his writing for any instrument (or voice, for that matter). > > One other interesting touch in the second part; several exposed written > > F-sharps (horn in E), below the staff, in the Agnus Dei. > > > > A very intense piece of music and he clearly was trying out a lot of > > adventurous ideas in it. I hope that someone can point me to some > > authoritative study on its orchestration. I just played (and quite > > enjoyed) second on a rough and tumble performance of this with meager > > forces and an even sparser audience and it would be nice to benefit from > > the common knowledge out there on this if there be any. > > > > Peter Hirsch > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [email protected] > > unsubscribe or set options at > > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/mhrivnak%40hrivna > > k.org > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:04:04 +0100 > From: Lawrence Yates <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven Missa solemnis Sanctus 2nd horn part > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Is what you want available here: > > http://imslp.org/wiki/Missa_Solemnis,_Op.123_%28Beethoven,_Ludwig_van%29 > > Cheers, > > Lawrence > -- > Lawrenceyates.co.uk > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:01:59 +0200 > From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Beethoven Missa solemnis Sanctus 2nd horn part > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Dear Michael, > > this first publication of Beethovens Missa solemnis op.123 had used > the first proof copy (F.Ries ?), authorized by Beethoven himself. > > You are right absolutely, that Beethoven wanted to give a rest to > the first horn. > > There is no other reason, as the first horn changes the crook back & > forth > as do the other horns. The use of semitones is about the same in all > horns. > No strange right hand action at all. Just the pitches tuned down for > 1/2 step. > The f# below staff is also very easy and can be produced by use of the > right > hand ("gedaempft" or muted or "half stopped") or "lipped down" (better > result > if louder than mp). "Half stopped" is a rather unclear term. > > The first horn definitely has "tacet" marked. > > The autograph is preserved at the Staatsbibliothek Berlin except the > Gloria. > > Hope that helps. > > Regards > > Hans > ################################################################### > Am 07.06.2010 um 05:58 schrieb Michael Hrivnak: > > > (If you live near NYC, you can see the NYP perform this piece in > > just under 3 > > weeks.) > > > > I recently played principal on this piece. Not having an assistant, > > I was > > very grateful for the section you mentioned where the 2nd horn plays > > lead. > > It's a lot of time on the face without much break, including a > > pretty hefty > > blow in the Credo, which is right before that section. > > > > This is where IMSLP becomes incredibly handy. According to them, > > the parts we > > used were set by Breitkopf and H?rtel around 1880. Who knows what > > might have > > happened back then. > > > > BUT, there is also a scan of the first-edition score from 1827 on > > IMSLP. Fast- > > forward to page 201 of the PDF, and you'll see the first page of the > > Sanctus. > > The scan is way too low-resolution to read exactly what it says, but > > I think > > it says basically "Corno 1 tacet", "Corno 2 in E", "Corni in D 3, > > 4". This is > > corroborated by the Ernst Eulenberg score they have. > > > > http://imslp.org/wiki/Missa_Solemnis,_Op.123_(Beethoven,_Ludwig_van) > > > > This was written fairly late in his life. He had already written > > his first 8 > > symphonies. Surely whoever played first on the premier of number 6 > > would have > > expressed in one way or another how much work it was, and perhaps > > Beethoven > > was becoming more sensitive to that issue. As noted, he was not shy > > about > > trying new things, so I think we can reasonably believe that he > > could have > > orchestrated it this way himself. > > > > I wonder where the original manuscript is. > > > > Michael > > > > > > On Sunday 06 June 2010 10:24:33 pm Punto wrote: > >> Does anyone know of any writings on Beethoven's choice to give the > >> second horn the lead part in this movement while the first lays out > >> for > >> about 74 bars? It is not in any way similar to the 4th horn writing > >> in > >> the 9th symphony or 2nd horn solos in Fidelio or elsewhere since it > >> clings to the high horn tessitura from beginning to end. In no way > >> does > >> it appear to be a late classical/pre-romantic second horn part. If it > >> weren't Beethoven, I might just think that it was an attempt to > >> give the > >> principal player a rest, but he never showed any evidence of doing > >> that > >> anywhere in his writing for any instrument (or voice, for that > >> matter). > >> One other interesting touch in the second part; several exposed > >> written > >> F-sharps (horn in E), below the staff, in the Agnus Dei. > >> > >> A very intense piece of music and he clearly was trying out a lot of > >> adventurous ideas in it. I hope that someone can point me to some > >> authoritative study on its orchestration. I just played (and quite > >> enjoyed) second on a rough and tumble performance of this with meager > >> forces and an even sparser audience and it would be nice to benefit > >> from > >> the common knowledge out there on this if there be any. > >> > >> Peter Hirsch > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> post: [email protected] > >> unsubscribe or set options at > >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/mhrivnak%40hrivna > >> k.org > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [email protected] > > unsubscribe or set options at > > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/horn > > End of Horn Digest, Vol 90, Issue 6 > *********************************** _________________________________________________________________ Look 'em in the eye: FREE Messenger video chat http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9734386 _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
