Not Russian, it's colloquial Texan for the petrochemical industry. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Hans Pizka <[email protected]> wrote:
> Must have been German exports between 1934 & 1938 perhaps. No more exports > in 1939, no swastika stamped exports prior 1934, as the nazi came to power > 1933 Jan 30th & also needed some time to penetrate all ways of life. > > If you spend some time in the oil & gas "bidniz", was that in Russia > perhaps (spelling ?) > > > ###################################################################################################### > Am 11.08.2010 um 12:51 schrieb Bill Gross: > > > Interesting sidebar, in a previous life I spent some time in the oil and > gas > > bidniz. One of the guys I worked with held a position in an Amoco (as I > > recall) Refinery in Texas City. Amoco had purchased some process units > > built in Germany in the 1930s. The inspectors stamps on the steel > > fabrications all bore the swastika of the Nazi government. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > > Of Hans Pizka > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 1:39 AM > > To: [email protected]; The Horn List > > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] 1926 NY Phil > > > > The strongest anti-nazi laws are in Austria. Any of their symbols is > > outlawed. > > The law dates from the time, when Austria was still occupied. > > > > The swastika can still be seen on most Buddhist monuments, figures, > scripts > > as it defines the sun & the wheel of life (abstracted, as there is the > full > > wheel symbol also used widely). Yes, and I have seen it on many temples > or > > shrines in India also. Just to confirm. > > > > If an old horn has the swastika engraved & dates from prior 1930, it > could > > have been used by an SS-brass-band or owned by an "adorer" of this > political > > terror movement. > > > > Yes, if the horn is inspected by customs & one has to show it to the > "wrong" > > person, it could become confiscated (rarely) in Germany, but would be > > confiscated in Austria, if no valid explanation can be offered. > > > > But why not camouflage it by an elegant plaque ? > > > > ####################################################################### > > > > Am 11.08.2010 um 07:45 schrieb Steve Haflich: > > > >> Milton -- > >> > >> The swastika you describe on this horn almost certainly _is_ a Nazi > >> swastika. There is a good history of the swastika at > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika which explains that > >> > >> - The swastika was derived (apparently independently) by several > >> indigenous cultures. > >> > >> - There is probably a common derivation among Asian and European > >> cultures -- going back millennia -- from Hindu symbology. There is a > >> (unrotated) related swastika in Japanese kanji going back into > >> antiquity. (It is still used on maps as a marker for Buddhist temples > >> -- I have modern maps with this symbol.) > >> > >> - Prior to the adoption by the Nazi party, the symbol was not > >> particularly associated with evil -- rather the opposite. It has a > >> long and benign history even in Europe. > >> > >> - But even before Hitler became chancellor of the Nazi party, the > >> symbol had been officially adopted by the Nazi party in 1920, and > >> used unofficially even earlier. > >> > >> - Use or display of the swastika is prohibited in Germany today, > >> except for its use as a symbol in religious context. Germany tried > >> to get this prohibition extended to the entire EU, but this was > >> rejected. (I don't know if there are in Germany exceptions for > >> historical items, but probably there are.) > >> > >> Anyway, Milton, it is almost certain the swastika on your horn has > >> some relation to the Nazi emblem. (Were there any Buddhists working > >> at Alex in the 1920's?) That in itself is harmless especially if the > >> date was 1930, prior to Nazi ascendancy. But I wouldn't travel with > >> this particular horn to any gigs in Germany. Could invite trouble at > >> the airport. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> post: [email protected] > >> unsubscribe or set options at > >> https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.c > >> om > > > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [email protected] > > unsubscribe or set options at > > > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.ne > > t > > > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [email protected] > > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at > https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/bgross%40airmail.net > _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
