My God, you made me think about something I haven't thought about in years. I think??? that I use to to to.. or maybe two two two :) Actually I do think I use to to and tu tu tu. The thing I DON'T do... and I know some are an advocate of this... is to put a t at the end of the tonguing. Like tut tut tut. If you are really trying to do very rapid single tonguing, then I suppose the tut tut is kind of natural. Maybe???? Milton
Milton Kicklighter 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic Retired ________________________________ From: William Bard <[email protected]> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 3:54:16 PM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Articulation and 'airy' sound issues Milton, I'll try it out. So, for tonguing, do you personally use a "Ta" or "Tee" type syllable with your tongue, or more of a "Thu?" I've heard of both but am always curious to hear people's preferences. Band directors while I was in middle school and high school always told me "Ta" and I've heard varying ideas form horn players. -Bill Bard On Jun 27, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Milton Kicklighter wrote: > Bill, what happened to me was this: I was doing a lot of mouthpiece > buzzing... > > which I have always done and still do... but had let the tip of my tongue > move > up from the very the bottom of my mouth to right behind my teeth. I had > done this so gradually that I did not notice the change. But it had a major > change on my horn sound. > > > Try this: buzz on your mouthpiece and gradually move your tongue up behind >your > > teeth and then back down into your mouth. You should notice a radical change >in > > the sound of the buzz. > > > Milton > > Milton Kicklighter > 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic > Retired > > > > > ________________________________ > From: William Bard <[email protected]> > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 1:42:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Articulation and 'airy' sound issues > > I think the position of the tongue is likely a big factor in this. Some days, >my > > tonguing feels great and the easiest thing in the world, and other days it >feels > > like a rock that I'm having to lug back and forth in my mouth. Not easy at > all. > > I'm hoping this will clear up during college and in the years after, as I > gain > more consistency. I can buzz without the mouthpiece, but I have a VERY tough > time doing so. It's difficult to actually create pitches I want, without the > mouthpiece. > > > -William Bard > > On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Milton Kicklighter wrote: > >> Don't forget the position of the tongue when you are playing. I got into >> real > > >> trouble a few years back not paying attention to the position of the tongue >> when >> >> I was playing. Years ago I found that leaking air for me was to much >> pressure > > >> and not enough muscle control. Can you form a embouchure and buzz without >> the > > >> mouthpiece? Or do you pinch your lips together when you try to buzz? >> >> >> Milton >> >> Milton Kicklighter >> 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic >> Retired >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: William Bard <[email protected]> >> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 1:05:44 PM >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Articulation and 'airy' sound issues >> >> The edges are closed tightly, yes. And thanks for the suggestion about the >> Italian language! I'll definitely look into that. Thanks. >> >> -William Bard >> >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:52 AM, Hans Pizka wrote: >> >>> William, are the edges of your lips (embouchure) closed tightly, so air >>> cannot >> >> >>> escape there ??? >>> Next, do not use that much air. Do not blow air into the horn actively. >>> Better, >>> >>> >>> just release air >>> according to pitch, dynamic etc. >>> Third, study Italian language, to learn about clear vowels, absolutely >>> clear >>> vowels, and clear consonants. You will wonder, how that would improve your >>> playing, special tongue action. >>> >>> Good luck ! >>> ################################################# >>> Am 27.06.2011 um 04:38 schrieb William Bard: >>> >>>> I've been playing the horn some seven years, having just graduated high >>>> school, >>>> >>>> >>>> and I will begin attending the Eastman School of Music this fall for a >>>> degree >> >>>> in >>>> >>>> Horn Performance. However, before I get up there and start school, I >>>> really >>>> thought I should ask the members of this board for some advice on an issue >>>> (I >> >> >>>> think it's an issue...) I've been noticing lately in my playing. >>>> >>>> Back in February I had a lesson with Rick Solis out in Cleveland, and he >>>> pointed out that often times, when I articulate, it sounds almost as >>>> though the >>>> >>>> >>>> tongue is rebounding, or something is happening to make the tonguing not >>>> quite >>> >>> >>>> so clear and more blatty sounding. I've especially noticed this when I >>>> play >>>> loud >>>> >>>> or technically difficult passages. >>>> >>>> >>>> He and Rich King both pointed out to me in my audition for the Cleveland >>>> Institute of Music that it was something I really have to work on and fix >>>> over >>> >>> >>>> the next few years; otherwise it could spell big problems for my playing. >>>> They >>> >>> >>>> said it will "hopefully go away" over time, but this still really worries > me. >>>> >>>> In addition, I can't help but notice an extra sort of buzz to my sound, >>>> when I >>> >>> >>>> play. At times, it is even very airy sounding. I can't figure out yet if >>>> this >> >>>> is >>>> >>>> my horn that is vibrating ever so slightly along with the pitches I'm >>>> playing, >>> >>> >>>> or if this is an internal sound that I'm hearing as the note vibrates >>>> through >> >>>> my >>>> >>>> mouth and possibly through my teeth, or what the heck this is. >>>> >>>> >>>> Obviously, when I take the horn away and buzz on the mouthpiece, it's not >>>> just >>> >>> >>>> the sound of the note I hear, as I can also hear the air flow moving >>>> through > >>>> the >>>> >>>> mouthpiece. Is tongue placement or something else possibly amplifying the >>>> airflow or sound of my buzz, so that it becomes noticeable IN ADDITION to >>>> the >> >> >>>> sound of the horn, itself? >>>> >>>> >>>> Does anyone have any suggestions or advice regarding this? Or, >>>> furthermore, is >>> >>> >>>> this truly an issue, or is it actually somewhat normal? This is really >>>> puzzling >>>> >>>> >>>> to me and I really hope to get it figured out before it's too late! 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