On Jul 3, 2011, at 10:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 22:48:18 +0200 > From: Ralph Hall <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] stopping notes with the tongue, etc. > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Wendell, I reply to your posting out of courtesy because I realise > that it is to your advice that many on this list look to. However, I > must take issue with you on one or two points. My reply, which brought > up the 'whole glottal thing' was specifically concerned with the > ending of notes other than staccato and you seem to extrapolate from > that, via those that seek our help, that I advocate stopping short > notes with the glottis. This is certainly not my way of thinking but > you then go on to say that articulations (which exactly?) should be > 'small actions of the tongue and not a lot of throat stuff'. I never > have, nor ever will conflate 'articulations' with a 'lot of throat > stuff' so I wonder where this comes from? > > In your reply to William you say that 'you are right to think that > stopping each note with the tongue would be a bad thing in a fast > passage' but in your second posting you advocate 'toot' or 'teet' > which to my mind, if you pronounce the last consonant in normal > pronunciation, means ending the note with the tongue. I certainly > accept your advocacy of the vowel sound between the two 'ts' otherwise > you do get more tongue than note. There are not many linguistic and > elocution experts, or (heaven forbid!), singing teachers who would > agree that pronouncing with the tongue 'and suitable vowel sounds' can > take the throat (presumably you mean the glottis) out of the equation. > > Ultimately, Valerie is right that there is more than one way of > cracking a nut, but an acknowledgement of the skills of others in > solving these universal problems might render the list more helpful to > those who seek advice. > > Ralph R. Hall
HI Ralph, I guess i wasn't clear enough in the earlier posts. First, I wasn't directing my comments to just you personally. So I'm sorry if you got that impression. Also, you don't seem to have made the distinctions that I was trying to get across. In fact you are just repeating them. William was talking about fast notes and the other thing was about Tchaik 5. Two different things, neither of which where I would use the tongue cutoff. i thought i made that clear. This is just common sense. The toot and teet stuff was for staccato notes at certain speeds and conditions. I'm sorry you didn't get that. I find the discussion interesting, so don't take offense. Personally, I would never advocate using the the throat consciously to do anything on the horn. The throat will get involved because of the back pressure caused by the stoppage of notes, yes, but to make that a pro active thing is just backwards, in my opinion. if that is your opinion as well then fine. If not, fine too. And again, we are not singers. The whole mechanism of our playing is moved forward in the mouth, so equating what we do with singing has to be carefully limited. The best equation would be the mental one of singing a song on our horns rather than playing note by note- product, not mechanics. I'm also sorry that you seem to have gotten the idea that I think I am the only one who knows the answers. Those who have read my book, watched my DVDs and taken lessons with me know differently, so I'm sorry if i gave that impression to you. And you, by the way, might want to work on your tone when posting on these forums, especially when doing so "out of courtesy." Sincerely, Wendell Rider For information about my book, "Real World Horn Playing" and the DVDs, go to my website: www.wendellworld.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
