Wow, Wish I had know this. I was in Portland the week before the symposium. Dudddddddd
Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic Retired From: Herbert Foster <[email protected]> >To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 1:13 PM >Subject: Re: [Hornlist] stopping notes with the tongue, etc. > >Powell's Books up in Portland, OR, is also a good source, though being there >physically is best if you like to browse. > >http://www.powells.com > >Herb Foster > > > > >________________________________ >From: Mr Robert Ward <[email protected]> >To: Milton Kicklighter <[email protected]>; The Horn List ><[email protected]> >Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 12:48:34 PM >Subject: Re: [Hornlist] stopping notes with the tongue, etc. > >Hi Milton - > >Over the years I made it is point to buy from used book sites on the internet >any horn book I heard about. So I think I bought it from: > >http://www.abebooks.com/ > >It's a simple yet great site where I've also bought many genealogy related >books >too. > >Bob > >On Jul 3, 2011, at 4:53 AM, Milton Kicklighter wrote: > >> Hi Bob, >> >> Where did you get this copy of Gunthers book. Many years ago a friend of >>mine.... Fred Bradford.... showed me a pamphlet that Schuller had written and >>this plus much about intonation was included in that pamphlet. I would love >>to >>find a copy of it. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Milton >> >> Milton Kicklighter >> 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic >> Retired >> >> From: Robert N. Ward <[email protected]> >>> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2011 6:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] stopping notes with the tongue, etc. >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Every time this comes up I refer back to a snippet from Gunther Schuller's >>>book... >>> >>> From Schuller: Horn Technique - "A common misconception exists that >>> staccato >>>playing requires a different technical approach than more sustained playing. >>>Nothing could be further from the truth. Essentially, a staccato note is >>>produced exactly like any other note; that is to say, a clean attack (in >>>staccato fairly sharp and pointed) is followed by a fully centered tone and >>>ended quickly by the action of the larynx. Common faults in staccato playing >>>are: a) the attack, because of the speed with which the tongue is required >>>to >>>move, is often fuzzy and unfocused; b)the tone, because of its relative >>>brevity, >>>is neglected and allowed to sound thin and pinched; and c) the tongue, >>>rather >>>than the larynx, is used to stop the note. This latter fault gives the note >>>an >>>unpleasantly abrupt ending and makes the staccato sound choppy and >>>aggressive. >>>For my taste, the most attractive staccato in one in which each note is ever >>>so >>>slightly tapered at the end." >>> >>> Robert N. Ward >>> Principal Horn >>> San Francisco Symphony >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 2, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ralph Hall wrote: >>> >>>> Wendell, I reply to your posting out of courtesy because I realise >>>> that it is to your advice that many on this list look to. However, I >>>> must take issue with you on one or two points. My reply, which brought >>>> up the 'whole glottal thing' was specifically concerned with the >>>> ending of notes other than staccato and you seem to extrapolate from >>>> that, via those that seek our help, that I advocate stopping short >>>> notes with the glottis. This is certainly not my way of thinking but >>>> you then go on to say that articulations (which exactly?) should be >>>> 'small actions of the tongue and not a lot of throat stuff'. I never >>>> have, nor ever will conflate 'articulations' with a 'lot of throat >>>> stuff' so I wonder where this comes from? >>>> >>>> In your reply to William you say that 'you are right to think that >>>> stopping each note with the tongue would be a bad thing in a fast >>>> passage' but in your second posting you advocate 'toot' or 'teet' >>>> which to my mind, if you pronounce the last consonant in normal >>>> pronunciation, means ending the note with the tongue. I certainly >>>> accept your advocacy of the vowel sound between the two 'ts' otherwise >>>> you do get more tongue than note. There are not many linguistic and >>>> elocution experts, or (heaven forbid!), singing teachers who would >>>> agree that pronouncing with the tongue 'and suitable vowel sounds' can >>>> take the throat (presumably you mean the glottis) out of the equation. >>>> >>>> Ultimately, Valerie is right that there is more than one way of >>>> cracking a nut, but an acknowledgement of the skills of others in >>>> solving these universal problems might render the list more helpful to >>>> those who seek advice. >>>> >>>> Ralph R. Hall >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> post: [email protected] >>> unsubscribe or set options at >>>https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> post: [email protected] >> unsubscribe or set options at >>https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/rnward%40comcast.net > >_______________________________________________ >post: [email protected] >unsubscribe or set options at >https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/herb_foster%40yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >post: [email protected] >unsubscribe or set options at >https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
