Bill,

I worked as an engineer for a long time. I'm not sure what you are referring to 
regarding engineering ethics. This is what I know about the formal ethics 
involved:

General Electric would regard you as an engineer if you had a degree with the 
word "engineer" in it (but not if it included the word "technology", which 
would label you a technician). The pay for scientist and engineer was the same, 
so this was handled similarly. I believe this was an internal practice, without 
any external need other than to support billing the government properly in 
cost-plus-fee contracts. 

Backing up some, there is little or no ethics training in an engineering 
curriculum, as far as I know. I spent the entire 1970's getting various 
engineering degrees - nothing then, at least. 

In some fields, and for some purposes, it is helpful to become a "Professional 
Engineer". This means passing a state-administered test and meeting some other 
basic requirements (a degree or equivalent experience, for example). Few 
engineers have a need to do this. A construction design firm needs at least one 
professional engineer to sign drawings; young civil engineers with any ambition 
will take the test as soon as possible, before they forget everything. My sense 
is that it is a far easier test to pass than, say, a bar exam - it is not used 
to limit the number of engineers in order to protect $400/hour fees. I don't 
know what ethics code may be involved - a lot is implied when you sign a 
drawing - "I certify that this bridge will not fall down." 

The nature of engineering is devising and maintaining machines, facilities and 
processes that make things easier, which usually means reducing labor. In a 
well-functioning society (picture 100 people on an island to avoid the 
complexities of credit default swaps, etc.), there are better things to do, and 
this frees up labor to do them. "Hey, this coconut-husking machine is great! 
Let's go plant some pineapples."

Incidentally, when you look at a jet engine from the side, you can hardly see 
anything but tubing. There's a need to pipe air from various places to other 
places - to purge bearings, balance thrust loads, pressurize the cabin - all 
sorts of things. This tubing is intricately fabricated, welded, bent, and 
shaped. The shop where all this tubing is made would look familiar to a brass 
instrument maker (except for the welding). It's made in relatively small  
quantities, and largely by "hand" (meaning basic machines and lots of tooling). 

Curt Austin



On Jul 18, 2011, at 6:51 AM, Bill Gross wrote:

> Hans raises a long term ethical question often not addresses in the
> engineering community.  Without going into great detail, in the US the
> engineering profession has professional ethics that deal with the way they
> provide their professional service.  The one thing that has never really
> been addressed is what responsibility an engineer who develops a new
> manufacturing process has to the employees who might be displaced because of
> it.  
> 

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