Re: AW: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8

[John Dutton]

That's a good question Hans!  I speak quite a bit about Schantl and singing 
through the horn as well but I haven't mentioned that lately I guess and it 
didn't seem pertinent to the question asked;-).  My students are even now 
learning the joys of Bordogni! However, a few tricks in the bag are nice 
too.

The Jack Attack!

p.s. was that red pepper or regular black pepper? or did you mean pepper 
corns?



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans Pizka)
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: AW: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:08:52 +0100
Right, Russ & John, use a bit of pepper too (valve rattle !). It works.
May I ask one thing, just one thing ? Why do so many people care so much
of so unimportant effects, which have more to do with noise than music ?
Flutter tongue, glissandi, fortissimo trills (Dvorak, Wagner) are not
the most musical things ever. Why quite nobody asks about nice (and very
difficult) cantilena things ? I am just wondering.
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An: 'Russ Smiley'; Memphis Hornlist
Betreff: RE: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8
Hi Russ,

The way Clevenger always taught us to do it was to shake the hell out of
them.  He claimed one could not get the proper affect by a regular lip
trill and he rarely proposed a valve trill in that range.  I choose the
robust lip trill method rather than a true shake unless I've had a pot
of coffee!  Whatever method you use, it takes MUCHO air to make it work
right.
The Jack Attack!

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From: Russ Smiley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 11 March, 2003 6:47
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Subject: [Hornlist] Trills in Dvorak 8
On Sunday I hacked my way through the F and D trills in the fourth
movement
of Dvorak 8, the last piece of the concert.  As you know, I got 3 shots
at
it.  I first tried lipping them both; I failed on the D (the note I
usually
can trill on very easily).  Then I tried using a 1-0 trill on the F and
lip
trilling the D.  That sounded and was inconsistent.  How have other
amateurs
out there successfully performed them?  (I expect that professionals
with
robust trills have no trouble with them.)
Russ Smiley
Marlborough, CT
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