I believe all of you should look carefully at the new Hoyer horns.  I only use the 
word "new" because Gerhardt Meinl, of  Meinl-Weston tuba fame is now the owner of the 
Hoyer company.  I had the pleasure of visiting the workshop in Germany, and the 
quality is exceptional.  There are several models available, although the focus right 
now is a top hand made line.

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> Well put, Walt!  If you can't play in tune on a Holton, your problem
> is probably not equipment. 
> 

    Well put Walt and Peter!
     In my experience with the middle school horns I work on, the ones that 
have stood up the best to several years of use have been the Holton 379s 
(nickel silver).  With the 378s the schools have (brass), the leadpipes are already 
rotting out (red rot).  The nickel silver horns will probably just physically 
last longer (harder to remove dents though).  Most of the school Conns and 
Kings I've been seeing that are more than a couple of years old have red rot 
problems as well and their lacquer is not very durable and they tend to have valve 
corrosion problems (these are the Eastlake-made horns).  I think I'd pick the 
379 over the 179 for middle school use because of the cheaper price and with 
the smaller bell, a little easier to play for young kids.
    I've talked the local middle school band directors into using AliSyn 
valve oil on their horns which has saved a lot of valve repair money for them.  
It's actually cut the summer repair budget almost in half!  It's a little 
thicker, so I don't use it on my own horn, but the main advantage is that it doesn't 
evaporate like most regular oils.  If you oil it today, it'll still be there 
in a couple of months.  It has really helped to cut down on corrosion problems 
for the school horns.  I use it on "shelf" horns that might sit around for 
awhile without being played. 

- Steve Mumford 
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