I cannot possibly do a better job of making a complete fool of you,
than you already have on your own.
My Paxman horns have benefitted from many years of careful
maintenance using wheel bearing grease, with no ill effects, and will
continue to serve me well, I am sure.
My sincerest apologies if you were offended by my use of the term
"abrasive". I was referring to the material, not the method. Please
re-read the message.
And I stand by what I posted.
Back to practising, and beer.
Best regards,
Martin Bender
On 28-Apr-06, at 2:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The factuality of the methodology is the entire argument here. You
brought up the tribal mythology that anything resembling abrasive,
no matter to what degree, will quickly destroy a valuable French
horn. I presented a very simple method that avoids the use of
graphite or grease. Your disagreement with my system, and the
reasons for it, would lead a reasonable person to conclude that
grease or graphite is inevitably necessary. You directly attacked
my method by branding it abrasive.
I will stand with my claim that messy lubricants are totally
unnecessary for lubing the bell screw. It is your right and
privilege to post suggestions, but you attacked my methodology and
tried to control the high ground by using the magic word,
'abrasive'. You've taken a position contrary to mine, and I've
foolishly called you on it. Now is the time when you should expose
your unassailable expertise, and make a complete fool of me. So,
convince me that, unless I smear it with wheel grease, my Paxman
will be ruined.
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:08:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
I'm not going to get drawn into a pissing contest regarding
factual or non-factual methodologies or mythologies. I have owned
screw-bell horns for 30 years, performed hundreds of concerts in
formal attire, and consistently lubricated and cared for my horns
as I described, using miniscule amounts of wheel bearing grease. I
was sharing my experiences with someone who was requesting
assistance in the maintenance of screw rings, based on my own
experience-- far from making ignorant pronouncements.
That someone has a different perspective based on their
experience, does not give another person license to label them or
their experience ignorant. Different would be a more appropriate
adjective.
Respect for another persons ideas is a basic tenet in the
information sharing process, and as a clearing house for
information, this site can be a valuable resource. As adults, it's
a sign of maturity that two people can disagree without being
disagreeable.
Best regards,
Martin Bender
On 27-Apr-06, at 8:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It might be a good idea if you had some factual information
about > my method and the materials I use before making ignorant >
pronouncements. Most of the performances I do require formal >
attire, and it is idiotic to recommend the use of graphite or >
bearing grease, neither of which can be removed from white >
clothing. The Scotch-Brite I recommend is the equivalent of 0000 >
steel wool and is used to prepare a surface for final polishing. >
The abrasive is embedded into a plastic matrix. If there is any >
residue it can be wiped off, unless you're foolish enough to mix it
> with bearing grease. The wax paper leaves a very thin, hard
surface > behind that is very smooth and slippery. It is good to
replenish > the wax surface, but it should never have to be cleaned
off
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:13:03 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
>
> I disagree.
> The Scotch-brite (which is an abrasive material) pad will leave
> fine particles behind, which are abrasive. Then you have to clean
> the threads of the small abrasive particles that remain, or else
> they get ground up in the threads. I would never use Scotch-brite
> on the soft metal the threads are made of, on any of my three
horns > which are all screw bells. Ideally, you want the threads to
have a > very small amount of lubricant, in order to slide smoothly
over > each other as they are very fine. Wax will also attract
dirt, and > is much harder to remove once it gums up the threads.
You can > always clean the threads with a spot of kerosene on a
clean rag; > this will dissolve the grease, and clean the threads
so you can > then re-apply a small amount of grease to the threads.
Selmer makes > a synthetic slide grease (it's red) which also works
quite well. > Think very small amounts.
> The threads on a screw bell horn are like the slides on your
horn. > They do require a bit of attention in order to last for the
life of > the instrument.
> Best regards,
> martin bender
> On 27-Apr-06, at 2:22 PM, Christine Ranson wrote:
>
> > Arg now I am confused, I've had three completely different
replies!
> >
> > Where is wax paper avaliable from?
> >
> >
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Reply-To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
> >> To: [email protected]
> >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
> >> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:11:20 -0400
> >>
> >> Lubricants will make a mess and attract grit like a magnet.
Get > an >> extra fine Scotch-Brite pad at home depot and polish
any crud > off >> the threads. You just want to remove what
shouldn't be > there. With >> the threads clean, rub them hard with
a wad of wax > paper. Keep the >> wad in your case to dress the
threads when needed.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Martin Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:24:45 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Quick question about cleaning.....
> >>
> >> A small amount of wheel bearing grease on the threads will
keep >
them moving smoothly.
> >> Martin Bender
> >>
> >> On 27-Apr-06, at 8:27 AM, Christine Ranson wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am washing my detachable bell horn for the first time since I
>>> > bought it (the lead pipe was foul!)
> >> >
> >> > ANYWAY. The thought just struck me.....does the screw bit >
need >> any > kind of lube or special oil or anything?
> >> >
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