Good point ... I'm not sure that anyone involved has actually tried such a
merge, or even lighter weight data munging exercises.
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>________________________________
> From: Jean-Guilhem Cailton <[email protected]>
>To: Mikel Maron <[email protected]>
>Cc: hot <[email protected]>
>Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 6:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [HOT] Meeting with WB about MapMaker?
>
>
>Hi,
>
>- A suggestion to make WB realize what they are getting into would
be to have them go in practice through a little merging exercise of
a freed external dataset with existing OSM data. Maybe they would
realize how complex this is. And how important the context data used
in crowdsourcing input is. (Assuming of course that they really mean
what they say about free data).
>
>
>- If they only care about not getting sued, how does a potential
"complicity in abuse of dominant position" sound? (In addition and
after all the problems Gogol has had in respecting the intellectual
property of others, of course. They have a significant track record
of misappropriating it).
>
>See e.g. :
>http://www.numerama.com/magazine/21483-google-condamne-en-france-une-tres-bonne-decision.html
>http://www.ecrans.fr/Google-Maps-condamne-en-France,13992.html
>
>Translated by themselves:
>http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=fr&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=fr&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.numerama.com/magazine/21483-google-condamne-en-france-une-tres-bonne-decision.html
>http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecrans.fr%2FGoogle-Maps-condamne-en-France%2C13992.html
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Jean-Guilhem
>
>
>Le 02/02/2012 23:38, Mikel Maron a écrit :
>Is that too much to ask Google? They don't take requests....
>>
>>PS Yes they have lawyers. But not ones that care about open data, only about
>>not getting sued. Clearly no one who knew any of this in practice was
>>consulted for the MoU. But yes, talking about open data the concepts can be
>>obscure ... I tried to illustrate the realities with some mapping
>>stories: http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/02/02/1756
>>
>>
>>PPS I don't think that's the root cause for the Bank (though it's clearly
>>something OSM needs to improve. note, I don't think GMM has the best UI
>>either). Rather, I think they are seduced by the association with the most
>>powerful company in the world, which is sexy.
>>
>>
>>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Chris Blow <[email protected]>
>>>To: hot <[email protected]>
>>>Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 5:12 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [HOT] Meeting with WB about MapMaker?
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Mikel,
>>>
>>>
While there are several clear solutions that are unrealistic to propose in your
meeting, I would just like to see a tool that allows users to to export data
most of the data that they create in Google Maps.
>>>
>>>
>>>Is that too much to ask? I can see that a technical barrier would be an way
>>>to differentiate between original user data entry and modifications of
>>>existing data. If someone edits a big interchange with a 5 year history of
>>>99% proprietary edits, Google isn't going to give that data back. But if you
>>>are mapping completely new roads and POIs in the developing world ... you
>>>should be able to do a significant export.
>>>
>>>
>>>PS I don't understand how the WB got itself into this, aren't they all
>>>lawyers? How can OSM make it clearer that there is a cost to using
>>>proprietary data? It has a toxic touch.
>>>
>>>
>>>PPS it seems like better UX and design at OSM could be the root cause of
>>>them working with Google in the first place — does this seem accurate? Or
>>>are there deeper architectural/technical/business reasons that WB is going
>>>with Google?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>c
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Feb 2, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Mikel Maron wrote:
>>>
>>>They're talking about me. Don't get too excited. I'll probably have a lot
>>>more to say soon. Would love to hear some feedback ...
>>>>
>>>>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: Iván Sánchez Ortega <[email protected]>
>>>>>To: [email protected]
>>>>>Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 1:37 PM
>>>>>Subject: [HOT] Meeting with WB about MapMaker?
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>A news item got my attention a few
minutes ago:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://techpresident.com/news/21709/google-world-bank-deal-ask-too-much-crowd
>>>>>
>>>>>Quote:
>>>>>
>>>>>«Aleem Walji, practice manager of
the World Bank's innovation
practice, said
>>>>>Thursday that he would be sitting
down with people from [...] the
open-source
>>>>>mapping group OpenStreetMap to
discuss a partnership between the
bank and
>>>>>Google that would see the search
giant's Google Map Maker tool put to
use in
>>>>>developing countries.»
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm wondering if they refer to
someone from the OSM Foundation, or
someone
>>>>>from HOT. I'd love to see some
feedback regarding this issue over
this
>>>>>mailing list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Best,
>>>>>--
>>>>>Iván Sánchez Ortega <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
>>>>>
>>>>>Here I come when I better go
>>>>>I say yes when I ought to say no
>>>>>
-- Dragonnette, I come
around
>>>>>
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