Le 03/02/2012 00:39, Martin Holmgren a écrit : > Hi! > > Good luck at the meeting, it will be very interesting to hear the > World Bank's reasons for choosing Google as partner over OSM. There > must have been some analysis of the different options, right? I would > imagine that being extra important for Aleem Walji, for the obvious > risk of
> his past at Google.org <http://Google.org> affecting the decision process. Can this be true?!?! This is really incredible!!! Then how can he even be involved in this? So it would not be only a matter of antitrust law... (By the way, Wikipedia.fr has an interesting source. [1]) > So, please post what you have learned back to the list after the meeting. > >> Is that too much to ask Google? They don't take requests.... > > Very true. But at the same time, my view is that Google rapidly are > reaching a tipping point in the public eye, where the "Don't be evil" > mantra is so watered down that they either will have to drop it (and > lose some of its staff in the process, who are loyal to that > principle) or start acting very differently in some areas. Using the > crowd as free labor for improving its map offerings being one, privacy > issues another. > > One way for Google to look better than they do right now would be to > make the results of all purely crowdsourced efforts using GMM > available under licensing conditions that are compatible with CC BY-SA > and ODbL. Of course all proprietary data, including edits to such data > in crowdsourcing efforts, need to be excluded from the data that is > made more freely available. > > Best regards, > Marty > >> PS Yes they have lawyers. But not ones that care about open data, >> only about not getting sued. Clearly no one who knew any of this in >> practice was consulted for the MoU. But yes, talking about open data >> the concepts can be obscure ... I tried to illustrate the realities >> with some mapping stories: http://brainoff.com/weblog/2012/02/02/1756 >> >> PPS I don't think that's the root cause for the Bank (though it's >> clearly something OSM needs to improve. note, I don't think GMM has >> the best UI either). Rather, I think they are seduced by the >> association with the most powerful company in the world, which is sexy. >> >> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Chris Blow <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *To:* hot <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2012 5:12 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [HOT] Meeting with WB about MapMaker? >> >> Hi Mikel, >> >> While there are several clear solutions that are unrealistic to >> propose in your meeting, I would just like to see a tool that >> allows users to to export data most of the data that they create >> in Google Maps. >> >> Is that too much to ask? I can see that a technical barrier would >> be an way to differentiate between original user data entry and >> modifications of existing data. If someone edits a big >> interchange with a 5 year history of 99% proprietary edits, >> Google isn't going to give that data back. But if you are mapping >> completely new roads and POIs in the developing world ... you >> should be able to do a significant export. >> >> PS I don't understand how the WB got itself into this, aren't >> they all lawyers? How can OSM make it clearer that there is a >> cost to using proprietary data? It has a toxic touch. >> >> PPS it seems like better UX and design at OSM could be the root >> cause of them working with Google in the first place — does this >> seem accurate? Or are there deeper >> architectural/technical/business reasons that WB is going with >> Google? >> >> >> c >> >> >> >> On Feb 2, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Mikel Maron wrote: >> >>> They're talking about me. Don't get too excited. I'll probably >>> have a lot more to say soon. Would love to hear some feedback ... >>> >>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* Iván Sánchez Ortega <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2012 1:37 PM >>> *Subject:* [HOT] Meeting with WB about MapMaker? >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> A news item got my attention a few minutes ago: >>> >>> >>> http://techpresident.com/news/21709/google-world-bank-deal-ask-too-much-crowd >>> >>> Quote: >>> >>> «Aleem Walji, practice manager of the World Bank's >>> innovation practice, said >>> Thursday that he would be sitting down with people from >>> [...] the open-source >>> mapping group OpenStreetMap to discuss a partnership between >>> the bank and >>> Google that would see the search giant's Google Map Maker >>> tool put to use in >>> developing countries.» >>> >>> >>> I'm wondering if they refer to someone from the OSM >>> Foundation, or someone >>> from HOT. I'd love to see some feedback regarding this issue >>> over this >>> mailing list. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> -- >>> Iván Sánchez Ortega <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> >>> Here I come when I better go >>> I say yes when I ought to say no >>> -- >>> Dragonnette, I come around >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption#Formes
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