On 21 March 2012 08:03, Kate Chapman <[email protected]> wrote: > I understood the suggestion, but there aren't that many people in > HOT's membership that are qualified in that way. I certainly am not.
Which doesn't mean that HOT couldn't allow those that are to do this work. e.g. I also have significant field experience in major disasters (although mainly outside mapping) However I agree entirely with the embedding approach - HOT shouldn't deploy without a host organisation to handle the logistics (including insurance, in-country transport & accommodation). - I realise I didn't state that in my original response, but this was very much in my mind. Whilst a mapping-specialist team like MapAction would be ideal, I don't think it would have to be - OCHA direct would also be fine. > I think key instead is to make friends/partnerships with those already > in those positions so they know they can depend on us for support. Right - but this shouldn't preclude boots on the ground being part of that support package if that's what the partners would like. Whilst there is a lot of value in people being able to support remotely, there is also value in on-site support. Fran. > -Kate > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Séverin MENARD > <[email protected]> wrote: >> OK seems there are some misunderstandings cause I might not have been very >> clear. My idea was not HOT to train people to become emergency GIS officers >> but to think about how we could coordinate in emergency phases in the >> possibility one Hottie get such a position. As an example, I worked for OCHA >> after the 2010 Earthquake in Haiti during 2 months (so I know the MapAction >> people, their methodology, etc. as they were my colleagues during that time) >> then in Pakistan for WHO during the 2010 floods, and I was asked for Horn of >> Africa last year but was already involved in a mission in Haiti. From my >> experience, I know the benefits the hum relief could get with a good >> coordination with the remote vtech communities. I also know that the UN Org >> can still not fully understand these benefits, and that the organizations >> hiring this kind of consultants for the UN may be kind of reluctant to work >> with the vtech communities, as they would like to appear as the unique or >> best solution. This is why I think we could try to think about what we could >> bring and formalize it on a document. >> >> Sev >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Mikel Maron <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Strongly second Kate's view. Deployment to a disaster zone is very >>> complicated and risky endeavor. >>> We'd do best with our resources to support organizations like MapAction, >>> UN agencies, and NGOs, so that they can work with OSM and relate with HOT in >>> an efficient manner. >>> Probably the best way to help that happen is by HOTties training and >>> embedding with MapAction. Harry Wood has attended a weekend training, >>> previously, and I know they are very open to more. >>> >>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Kate Chapman <[email protected]> >>> To: Fran Boon <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Séverin MENARD <[email protected]>; [email protected] >>> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:00 PM >>> Subject: Re: [HOT] 1st Activation Working Group meeting report >>> >>> I personally think we should first focus on remote deployment. If you >>> look at the way MapAction runs for example there is quite a bit of >>> infrastructure in place to support those deploying to the ground. At >>> the moment I think we can be most effective by supporting responders >>> and then providing training during the recover period. Or in the best >>> cases training and organization around preparedness. >>> >>> There have been discussions with potential partners before about >>> potential deployments, but I think HOT itself as an organization needs >>> some time before that can be a reality. Just the potentials of >>> insurance, making sure people are properly vaccinated and things like >>> that would keep me up at night. >>> >>> Additionally there just aren't that many people in HOT with the right >>> type of field experience right now. Beyond activation procedures >>> there is a lot of training methodologies that would need to be worked >>> out first. Though continuing with internship programs and workshops >>> is a good start. >>> >>> I'd also be interested to compare position descriptions for >>> preparedness to those for response. They might not be exactly the >>> same. >>> >>> -Kate >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Fran Boon <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > On 16 March 2012 13:36, Séverin MENARD <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> Soory I missed this chat but will be present to the next one. >>> >> Remote response apart, what should be our potential ground deployment ? >>> >> I >>> >> think a ground team who would activate and train quickly the local >>> >> communities, could drive the HOT remote support, provide imagery >>> >> feedbacks >>> >> (precise GPS coordinates, interpretation, etc.) or even imagery itself >>> >> taken >>> >> by a drone (some tests are ongoing in Haiti) would make sense. IMHO >>> >> HOT's >>> >> kind of uniqueness is to be able to provide coordinated ground and >>> >> remote >>> >> response. >>> > >>> > Hi Severin, >>> > >>> > What you outline sounds great, however it requires an essential >>> > element which remote support doesn't: $ >>> > A remote support can be done using relatively little volunteer time to >>> > set up & then it's up to the community how much they're able to engage >>> > in the actual work - as HOT we cannot be responsible for that - we >>> > just set up the infrastructure and make the call (being careful not to >>> > abuse this so we don't get volunteer fatigue). >>> > >>> > Ground support would either require HOT to have it's own funds or else >>> > to have the requesting Organisation sponsor it (even if the time was >>> > all donated). >>> > I agree that we should have a clause in about this and this can start >>> > by saying 'As HOT has no funds of it's own, a ground support request >>> > would require the requesting organisation to find funds for this' >>> > What else do we need to define around this? >>> > * Role descriptions (I know Kate has done this) >>> > * Being sure we don't send people out uninsured? >>> > * Being sure that people we send out are suitably qualified? >>> > * Being sure that people we send out are suitably equipped? (which >>> > might not require very much) >>> > >>> > Anything else? >>> > >>> > F >>> > >>> > >>> >> Severin >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:00 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Send HOT mailing list submissions to >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> >>> than "Re: Contents of HOT digest..." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. 1st Activation Working Group meeting report (Schuyler Erle) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> >>> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:22:42 +0530 >>> >>> From: Schuyler Erle <[email protected]> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> Subject: [HOT] 1st Activation Working Group meeting report >>> >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello Team, >>> >>> >>> >>> Today we had the first meeting of the HOT Activation Working Group on >>> >>> the >>> >>> IRC channel. The meeting lasted an hour. Pierre Beland, Fran Boon, >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> Buck, Robert Banick, Harry Wood, and I participated. >>> >>> >>> >>> The stated objective of the working group is to develop a strategy and >>> >>> tactics for optimally allocating HOT's resources in response to >>> >>> humanitarian >>> >>> crisis. We noted that humanitarian crises range quite widely in >>> >>> severity and >>> >>> in level of international response, and that HOT's response should be >>> >>> commensurate with the degree to which our services will be used by >>> >>> responders on the ground. >>> >>> >>> >>> The substance of the discussion today revolved around identifying >>> >>> HOT's >>> >>> possible responses to crisis (including documenting data sources, >>> >>> acquiring >>> >>> imagery, setting up volunteer tasking services, and mobilizing >>> >>> volunteers), >>> >>> and working backwards to identify the triggers for those activities. >>> >>> >>> >>> We also discussed at length the distinction between "activation", and >>> >>> simply responding to requests made by partner organizations. We agreed >>> >>> (I >>> >>> believe) that prompt and reliable response to partner inquiries should >>> >>> be a >>> >>> priority for HOT and should be taken up as a subject for discussion >>> >>> and >>> >>> recommendation by the working group. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think that the working group members agreed to start documenting >>> >>> some of >>> >>> these ideas on the OSM wiki for further discussion. We also agreed >>> >>> after >>> >>> talking for an hour to pick up the discussion again one week from >>> >>> today, at >>> >>> 14:00 UTC on Thu 22 Mar 2012. >>> >>> >>> >>> The IRC log for today's meeting is here: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OpenStreetMap_Team/Activation_Working_Group_22_Mar_2012 >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope to see those of you who are interested in the subject on #hot >>> >>> next >>> >>> Thursday! I'll send out a reminder a couple days ahead of time. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> >>> >>> >>> SDE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> HOT mailing list >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> End of HOT Digest, Vol 25, Issue 13 >>> >>> *********************************** >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> HOT mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > HOT mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
