http://www.who-eatlas.org/africa/ it should be working! try now
Enviat des de l'Ipad de l'Eva, l'Africa i en Robert. El 04/04/2012, a les 22:36, Stéphane Henriod <[email protected]> va escriure: > Thanks Roberto! Too bad we didn't meet up to discuss this at the conference > today... > > Unfortunately your link seems to be dead... Is there an alternative URL? > > At least we all agree that hazard and risk assessment is key for disaster > management...so now we have to find the best way to include those in (or > around) OSM! > > Sent from Android > > Le 4 avr. 2012 23:26, "Roberto Colombo" <[email protected]> a écrit : > plese check the who-eatlas.org/Africa and europe and emro to check sme > rasters to ve used..we developed that trough the VRAM project at WHO..could > this be helpfull? i might ask if this couls be added as I was engaged in the > project and the methodology is public,y available..if anyone wants to > replicate it I think ther would be no problem.. > Risk assessments are ke for prepardness awarness and as discussed today at > the U > GIS for Un meeting it's in many peoplmes mind...I advocate kfor that! > roert colombo > > Enviat des de l'Ipad de l'Eva, l'Africa i en Robert. > > El 04/04/2012, a les 19:43, [email protected] va escriure: > > Send HOT mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of HOT digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? > > (Kate Chapman) > > 2. Re: Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? (Fran Boon) > > 3. Re: Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? > > (Eric Lovell) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:18:58 -0700 > > From: Kate Chapman <[email protected]> > > To: St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [HOT] Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? > > Message-ID: > > <cagn7moo0jjt2xdbgef726jhgz8mjns9cwyeyx1bewmjharo...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi St?phane, > > > > The issue I see is more that it will depend on the type of hazard data. > > OpenStreetMap is usually used to map things that are visible on the > > ground. I see it being difficult for some types of hazards to be collected > > by the average person (not to say for some types it isn't easier). I'm not > > saying it is less relevant to humanitarian actors, I'm saying that it > > perhaps is better in another store and to be compared with OpenStreetMap > > data. > > > > People combine data with OSM data all the time. Everything isn't either an > > in or out proposition. I think it is important to have relevant and > > updatable information in OSM and be able to utilize it with other > > information that might be less practical for us to collect. > > > > -Kate > > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:35 AM, St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi Kate, > >> > >> I am browsing through inasafe website and it seems indeed pretty > >> interesting and relevant for the issues I raised in my first email. > >> > >> However, I believe that it is complementary rather than conflicting: what > >> I would aim at is the possibility to collect hazard data in an > >> OSM-compliant format that could, in turn, be used for risk analysis, for > >> example with InaSAFE. > >> > >> I see your point that hazard data (flood-prone areas, recurrent > >> landslides, seismic zones...) might need to be located out of the main OSM > >> DB, but I would be interested to read whether this opinion is mostly shared > >> by other HOT members? What I mean is: is the hazard data really less > >> relevant to the humanitarian and to the overall communities than the > >> blocked roads, the IDPs locations or the Search and Rescue zones? IMHO, > >> they would fall in the same category, so either everything in the main OSM > >> DB, or everything out of it. Does that sound silly? > >> > >> Thanks a lot for replying to me, and looking forward to engage the > >> discussion with any other member that would feel interested! > >> > >> > >> St?phane > >> -- > >> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants > >> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein > >> > >> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason > >> enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon > >> it is the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier > >> > >> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info > >> > >> Skype: [image: Skype name: marmotte_la_gueuse] > >> Tajik mobile phone: +992 934 62 46 62 > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 17:06, Kate Chapman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> Hello St?phane, > >>> > >>> I don't think it would really make sense to add many of those types of > >>> hazards to OpenStreetMap. We've collected information such as areas > >>> prone to flooding before but the actual hazard models should probably > >>> stay separate. They can be combined with OpenStreetMap information > >>> however to create impact models. > >>> > >>> This is something currently being done by AIFDR and GFDRR with > >>> InaSAFE: https://github.com/AIFDR/inasafe > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> -Kate > >>> > >>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:14 AM, St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>> Hello, > >>>> > >>>> I am relatively new to OSM and completely new to Humanitarian OSM but > >>>> extremely enthusiastic about both projects and would like to contribute > >>> in a > >>>> way that I will describe below, and for which I would appreciate your > >>>> feedback and ideas. > >>>> > >>>> Most humanitarian actors agree that the best response to an emergency is > >>>> preparedness, not only in terms of behaviors but also data. What > >>> strikes me > >>>> when I look at HOSM data model is that I don't see anything for natural > >>>> hazard delineation, for example. When responding to a crisis, > >>> humanitarian > >>>> actors might want to know in advance where to expect landslides, > >>> avalanches > >>>> and floods areas (for their own safety but also to "predict" where roads > >>>> might be blocked or where facilities might have been affected). Seismic > >>>> zonation is something that can be directly included in OSM; oldish data > >>> is > >>>> freely available from the GSHAP project, while the GlobalEarthquake > >>> Model > >>>> will provide with a more modern version in a few years. > >>>> > >>>> My question to the active and experienced members of the community is > >>> thus > >>>> the following: would you see any relevance to develop classes for > >>> natural > >>>> (and man-made?) hazards to be included in HOSM framework? > >>>> > >>>> As we can not expect the communities to have the technical knowledge of > >>>> hazard scientists, the ontology would have to remain quite simple, > >>> which is > >>>> probably ok for humanitarian actors (who cares whether it's a > >>> landslide, a > >>>> rockfall or a debris flow? a general category "earth mass movement" > >>> might be > >>>> sufficient for our purpose). Also, a distinction should be made between > >>>> "usual" events (those that occur relatively frequently but that might or > >>>> might not be currently triggered) and actual events (that have been > >>> actually > >>>> triggered). > >>>> > >>>> Many challenges ahead but before diving into it, I would like to check > >>> with > >>>> you if this idea has already been discussed and if it makes sense to > >>> pursue > >>>> it. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks a lot in advance and look forward to reading your comments, > >>>> > >>>> St?phane > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants > >>> malheureux" > >>>> -- Albert Einstein > >>>> > >>>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason > >>> enough > >>>> in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon it > >>> is > >>>> the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier > >>>> > >>>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> HOT mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> HOT mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/attachments/20120404/95ea63f3/attachment-0001.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:39:34 +0100 > > From: Fran Boon <[email protected]> > > To: St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [HOT] Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? > > Message-ID: > > <capkzktk6arxj7et3+7vfaco+y7rudgp4i7hjyyc_kawxjcc...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > On 4 April 2012 15:14, St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Most humanitarian actors agree that the best response to an emergency is > >> preparedness, not only in terms of behaviors but also data. What strikes me > >> when I look at HOSM data model is that I don't see anything for natural > >> hazard delineation, for example. When responding to a crisis, humanitarian > >> actors might want to know in advance where to expect landslides, avalanches > >> and floods areas (for their own safety but also to "predict" where roads > >> might be blocked or where facilities might have been affected). Seismic > >> zonation is something that can be directly included in OSM; oldish data is > >> freely available from the GSHAP project, while the GlobalEarthquake Model > >> will provide with a more modern version in a few years. > >> My question to the active and experienced members of the community is thus > >> the following: would you see any relevance to develop classes for natural > >> (and man-made?) hazards to be included in HOSM framework? > >> As we can not expect the communities to have the technical knowledge of > >> hazard scientists, the ontology would have to remain quite simple, which is > >> probably ok for humanitarian actors (who cares whether it's a landslide, a > >> rockfall or a debris flow? a general category "earth mass movement" might > >> be > >> sufficient for our purpose). Also, a distinction should be made between > >> "usual" events (those that occur relatively frequently but that might or > >> might not be currently triggered) and actual events (that have been > >> actually > >> triggered). > >> Many challenges ahead but before diving into it, I would like to check with > >> you if this idea has already been discussed and if it makes sense to pursue > >> it. > > > > Hi St?phane, > > > > I would concur with Kate that within the OSM DB doesn't seem like the > > best place to store it, but rather a place where it can be overlaid > > with the OSM DB. > > > > I'd be really interested to see if Sahana would make a good place to > > store this data: http://eden.sahanafoundation.org > > We don't currently include Hazard data models, but rather just overlay > > sources from elsewhere (typically WMS), but we would be very > > interested in actually having these within the Sahana database. > > I know that the Red Cross are interested in adding this to their > > Sahana deployment. > > > > Thoughts on this approach welcomed :) > > > > Best Wishes, > > Fran. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:43:01 -0700 > > From: Eric Lovell <[email protected]> > > To: Kate Chapman <[email protected]> > > Cc: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [HOT] Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? > > Message-ID: > > <CANKh64NavYh-fGD=7rj_tibaj4dx-zfzttmjbciohfcy2j9...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > By assuming that the 'average person' is unable to collect relevant hazard > > information, are we not claiming that only empirical top-down information > > should be considered? Shouldn't place-based knowledge systems be the most > > relevant systems for place-based hazards...that is "things that are on the > > ground"? Isn't this counter intuitive to initiatives to 'democratize' data? > > > > I have no input as to whether this type of information should be > > incorporated into OSM. I think both Kate and St?phane have valid points. > > Just food for thought. > > > > Best, > > > > Eric > > > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Kate Chapman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Hi St?phane, > >> > >> The issue I see is more that it will depend on the type of hazard data. > >> OpenStreetMap is usually used to map things that are visible on the > >> ground. I see it being difficult for some types of hazards to be collected > >> by the average person (not to say for some types it isn't easier). I'm not > >> saying it is less relevant to humanitarian actors, I'm saying that it > >> perhaps is better in another store and to be compared with OpenStreetMap > >> data. > >> > >> People combine data with OSM data all the time. Everything isn't either > >> an in or out proposition. I think it is important to have relevant and > >> updatable information in OSM and be able to utilize it with other > >> information that might be less practical for us to collect. > >> > >> -Kate > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:35 AM, St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Kate, > >>> > >>> I am browsing through inasafe website and it seems indeed pretty > >>> interesting and relevant for the issues I raised in my first email. > >>> > >>> However, I believe that it is complementary rather than conflicting: what > >>> I would aim at is the possibility to collect hazard data in an > >>> OSM-compliant format that could, in turn, be used for risk analysis, for > >>> example with InaSAFE. > >>> > >>> I see your point that hazard data (flood-prone areas, recurrent > >>> landslides, seismic zones...) might need to be located out of the main OSM > >>> DB, but I would be interested to read whether this opinion is mostly > >>> shared > >>> by other HOT members? What I mean is: is the hazard data really less > >>> relevant to the humanitarian and to the overall communities than the > >>> blocked roads, the IDPs locations or the Search and Rescue zones? IMHO, > >>> they would fall in the same category, so either everything in the main OSM > >>> DB, or everything out of it. Does that sound silly? > >>> > >>> Thanks a lot for replying to me, and looking forward to engage the > >>> discussion with any other member that would feel interested! > >>> > >>> > >>> St?phane > >>> -- > >>> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants > >>> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein > >>> > >>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason > >>> enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon > >>> it is the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier > >>> > >>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info > >>> > >>> Skype: [image: Skype name: marmotte_la_gueuse] > >>> Tajik mobile phone: +992 934 62 46 62 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 17:06, Kate Chapman <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello St?phane, > >>>> > >>>> I don't think it would really make sense to add many of those types of > >>>> hazards to OpenStreetMap. We've collected information such as areas > >>>> prone to flooding before but the actual hazard models should probably > >>>> stay separate. They can be combined with OpenStreetMap information > >>>> however to create impact models. > >>>> > >>>> This is something currently being done by AIFDR and GFDRR with > >>>> InaSAFE: https://github.com/AIFDR/inasafe > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> > >>>> -Kate > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:14 AM, St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> Hello, > >>>>> > >>>>> I am relatively new to OSM and completely new to Humanitarian OSM but > >>>>> extremely enthusiastic about both projects and would like to > >>>> contribute in a > >>>>> way that I will describe below, and for which I would appreciate your > >>>>> feedback and ideas. > >>>>> > >>>>> Most humanitarian actors agree that the best response to an emergency > >>>> is > >>>>> preparedness, not only in terms of behaviors but also data. What > >>>> strikes me > >>>>> when I look at HOSM data model is that I don't see anything for natural > >>>>> hazard delineation, for example. When responding to a crisis, > >>>> humanitarian > >>>>> actors might want to know in advance where to expect landslides, > >>>> avalanches > >>>>> and floods areas (for their own safety but also to "predict" where > >>>> roads > >>>>> might be blocked or where facilities might have been affected). Seismic > >>>>> zonation is something that can be directly included in OSM; oldish > >>>> data is > >>>>> freely available from the GSHAP project, while the GlobalEarthquake > >>>> Model > >>>>> will provide with a more modern version in a few years. > >>>>> > >>>>> My question to the active and experienced members of the community is > >>>> thus > >>>>> the following: would you see any relevance to develop classes for > >>>> natural > >>>>> (and man-made?) hazards to be included in HOSM framework? > >>>>> > >>>>> As we can not expect the communities to have the technical knowledge of > >>>>> hazard scientists, the ontology would have to remain quite simple, > >>>> which is > >>>>> probably ok for humanitarian actors (who cares whether it's a > >>>> landslide, a > >>>>> rockfall or a debris flow? a general category "earth mass movement" > >>>> might be > >>>>> sufficient for our purpose). Also, a distinction should be made between > >>>>> "usual" events (those that occur relatively frequently but that might > >>>> or > >>>>> might not be currently triggered) and actual events (that have been > >>>> actually > >>>>> triggered). > >>>>> > >>>>> Many challenges ahead but before diving into it, I would like to check > >>>> with > >>>>> you if this idea has already been discussed and if it makes sense to > >>>> pursue > >>>>> it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks a lot in advance and look forward to reading your comments, > >>>>> > >>>>> St?phane > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants > >>>> malheureux" > >>>>> -- Albert Einstein > >>>>> > >>>>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason > >>>> enough > >>>>> in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon it > >>>> is > >>>>> the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier > >>>>> > >>>>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> HOT mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> HOT mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> HOT mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/attachments/20120404/f17757b9/attachment.html> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > > End of HOT Digest, Vol 26, Issue 8 > > ********************************** > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
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