Hi Kate,
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Kate Chapman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Severin, > > Are you happy to switch to Transifex if it means retranslating everything? > The strings between languages need to be matched up and there isn't a way > we can do that automatically. This is the major reason we haven't tried to > do it previously. > Actually LearnOSM is so far made so that all the versions aims at sharing the same text (other documentatin orjects like FlossManuals have a different concept, where every translation is a reboot that deeply sticks with the local context), so it seems (but maybe if digging more it may not be) that Transifex would fit quite well. My concern is: does Transifex allows to make suggestion of changes in the master? Eg when I translated the chapter for conflict resolution in French, I really improved it. I think a translation includes a dimension of quality control or progress: when you read, you detect both mistakes and ways of improvement. > > As for the license between the OSM wiki and LearnOSM that is true they are > not the same. Information can go from LearnOSM to the wiki but not the > other way because of the share-a-like. > Hmm so the uMap document I am doing from the current short wikipage will not be a potential new chapter of LearnOSM, as the recent quality control pages. Pity we would need to redo all this from scratch. > > -Kate > > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:19 AM, Severin Menard <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am happy we switch to Transifex, the GitHub editor was a real pain and >> a real blocker for non GitHub experienced people (like me). >> >> Regarding Nick's idea of linking LearnOSM and the OSM wiki for eg >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager, is it possible? >> It would be great, but I thought LearnOSM has unfortunately another license >> than the OSM wiki. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Severin >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Nick Allen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I agree that more is needed. Based upon the problems I was finding when >>> validating, I've started to produce a guide >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Tallguy/Thoughts_%26_ideas/Beginners_guide >>> but it is at an early stage, and requires updating now that TM2 is out. I >>> feel that there is a gap between 'how to map', and what you actually need >>> to do to start to map for HOT. If we can produce a guide that covers how to >>> map your first square showing how to avoid the common mistakes, maybe we >>> can stop most of them. >>> >>> http://mapgive.state.gov/ <http://mapgive.state.gov/> have a very good >>> guide to mapping with iD >>> >>> As a temporary thing, I've linked both off of >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager but the main >>> wiki on the Tasking manager needs updating now we have TM2. >>> >>> My initial thought, is that TM2's release gives the perfect time to >>> update the wiki. The wiki is really under the wrong heading - it's main >>> name is 'OSM_Tasking_Manager, but it deals with a number of things >>> including JOSM offsets & validating. >>> >>> It would be good if there was some discussion & a consensus as to what >>> goes where, and how we are going to get it there. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Nick (Tallguy) >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19/07/14 02:05, Kate Chapman wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rafael, >>> >>> Sounds like a great idea. The InaSAFE project uses Transifex not just >>> for translating the software but also for translating the documentation. >>> The one issue in mind holding back the switch over is that LearnOSM is in >>> many languages now, so I would see the steps as follows. >>> >>> 1. Update the English documentation and get it into Transifex. >>> 2. Retranslate documentation from other languages. >>> >>> This would be painful certainly the first time, but then in the future >>> if the documentation was updated on the sections that were changed would >>> show up as in need of translation. Is that the method you see? >>> >>> Some of the HOT Indonesia team can speak to the issues with >>> translating documentation in Transifex. The biggest issue I think (correct >>> me if I'm wrong team) is if the "master" documentation language has a lot >>> of tweaks. Meaning it works best if there is a "release" of the >>> documentation and then the translations start. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> -Kate >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Rafael Avila Coya <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> Hi all: >>>> >>>> I wonder if we can gather some people interested in boosting the >>>> LearnOSM project. Now that the new Tasking Manager is out, it could be >>>> really nice to improve the learning/training materials. In my opinion, >>>> there are at least two points that need to improve: >>>> >>>> 1) Translation through git is not a good idea, as it is very >>>> complicated for most of the people. Would it be possible to carry the >>>> translation through Transifex, like with the Tasking Manager and uMap, >>>> for example? Images would be left aside of the translation, but there >>>> can be an smart way to deal with that. >>>> >>>> 2) Reorganize the material, and probably create some more. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Rafael. >>>> >>>> - -- >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/ravilacoya >>>> >>>> - -------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, >>>> .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. >>>> >>>> Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. >>>> >>>> http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) >>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ >>>> >>>> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTycHnAAoJEB3niTly2pPQOQYQAJ9ebXwcAxjN9yKJKaUi1NQc >>>> nzHaMHTVUAExFlD/Yorp417fEZuZNMb9qKuX/NanR1wuVe9d5W8Q8Ztk6xoJrguG >>>> g3tMoYTJY5Zu75iPFYc2gucW9ozwqXKxMoyiakAsaHzzDx3hpcUsnFCAApi7VHsD >>>> Ts6gAPqja1KzH2Y92Q7iWCQyNss/7pCFFxNzR+QMq/HY/pYLCKMh3KPfr2q0+vmN >>>> TI++Je/WOO9a7bjySYSft4pNsh21BhDz8zTLrEblMJi0cY1lTiwJiWJxN26GgQjD >>>> N8/r6KcDfpZZLskg+w+G57rXVHXpgZS1PaUnZm/pMfS938OQJRdoadNtwKzyT4Gh >>>> xBAfGfidRIRfQWtP5rSvP1txZRThQxaN9joTwVGYsnSW+FcjKRPIUOll54k627QY >>>> ksCgFgY7PWnWxzPjgJJBcuCGaTF5j5U+/By5T2ZQzduLhl9z/IP+3FE5lKe4NUSe >>>> U5LvsoA8QmQNxuBnAY1ZdSZzQQm9mbAx2XmRLbF/Ic6AlOr3XCDWj95bkrBQsXCT >>>> UzZhJy+bm70H2/tuYAa5h0n2PTc8R20CpwjcVmtGZLPbxJhK5mn4jZQLF0251AJo >>>> 4ciB+9ns3NzEhn9MmJ1tfVsJuH/C+r4Cz4jxtUzHiomowuNaGHe+5TTjWJ9v5hQr >>>> SYiF3tC7hZSSy+lp8sGk >>>> =s4vG >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HOT mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing >>> [email protected]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> Volunteer 'Tallguy' for >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team >>> >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tallguy >>> >>> Treasurer, website & Bonus Ball admin for >>> http://www.6thswanleyscouts.org.uk/ ([email protected]) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >
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